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    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    Is that something he actually did?
    Heard he just tested positive, btw.
    Sorry, “the legislature is now considering a measure in a bill to redistribute American Rescue Plan funds that would decrease allocations to local governments with stricter health guidelines than the state by 20%.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by concretejungle View Post
    Sorry, “the legislature is now considering a measure in a bill to redistribute American Rescue Plan funds that would decrease allocations to local governments with stricter health guidelines than the state by 20%.”
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    Never try to out-fuckhead a maga Republican.

    /polyass

    Anyway in Bluetooth capable mask news:

    Have you ever found yourself wearing your boring ol' cloth face mask in the grocery store and wishing it were both a lot more expensive and also canceled out sound?

    Thankfully, Black Eyed Peas founder Will.i.am has stepped up to meet this urgent demand, joining forces with N95 mask manufacturer Honeywell to create a "fashion statement" face covering that includes built-in noise canceling headphones, LED lights "for nighttime," HEPA ventilation filters, and Bluetooth capabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    Think whatever the hell you want. I don't give a crap. However, you're totally sidestepping the question I posed. What are YOUR thoughts on the border situation and releasing COVID+ migrants? Oh, but it's only Republicans who draw your ire. You refuse to call out the current administration for an even further botched COVID response. Got it.
    I'll play. We're dumb.

    Covid doesn't care about politics. All it needs is a few people close together willing to transmit it. I do believe the border crossers are getting tested before being sent around the country, unlike the spring breakers. Regardless, all it needs is a few people close together willing to transmit it. Spreading people around spreads variants around. We're dumb.

    IMO, we should keep the indoors stuff closed, and restrict travel, and have mandatory quarantines for those who must travel. I'm not in charge though. The goal should be drive the cases very low, and keep them very low or zero. Allowing any increase in cases is like building a revolving payday loan - a bad idea that's gonna suck.

    China is a large country, and they both crushed a rapidly growing pandemic, and kept it crushed. Australia is also large, and after a slow start, has done the same. Folks look to Israel and its high vax rate... they also have mask requirements and restricted indoor gatherings, AND clamped down hard during the vax campaign (and their cases fall by half every week).

    eta: We could end this if we wanted to

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    Hessler’s March 2021 article in the New Yorker from China discusses what it’s like there now. My coworker, via secured vpn, basically says the same. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...hina-diplomacy

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    Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    Think whatever the hell you want. I don't give a crap. However, you're totally sidestepping the question I posed. What are YOUR thoughts on the border situation and releasing COVID+ migrants? Oh, but it's only Republicans who draw your ire. You refuse to call out the current administration for an even further botched COVID response. Got it.


    Republicans senators look for what caused border crisis. It was them
    https://journalstar.com/opinion/colu...b3364.amp.html


    Is there a “crisis” of people attempting to cross the border?

    The increased numbers of people crossing the border right now is something that border experts have predicted for some time now. The roots of what is happening are in the Trump administration policies that caused massive numbers of people to be stuck on the Mexican side of the border—policies like “Remain in Mexico” (which forced over 70,000 asylum seekers to wait for their U.S. court dates in Mexico border cities) and “metering,” a practice under which U.S. border authorities place severe limits on who is allowed to approach ports of entry and ask for asylum, in violation of U.S. and international law.
    https://reliefweb.int/report/mexico/...rative-context

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    Interesting, but what does that have to do with the flu of the Rat?

    I'll play. We're dumb.
    That was all that needed to be said although you could have added in self centered assholes to be 100%

    You refuse to call out the current administration for an even further botched COVID response. Got it.
    No Austin, I just don't care to wrestle with swine. Cause we both get filthy and the pig enjoys it.
    I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

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    my high school friend's facebook posts state "anyone vaccinated has had their immune system knocked out. This is leading to the increase in variants. When non-vaccinated people get infected with a variant it's because of the vaccinated people..."

    They've made their cover story for when not being vaccinated backfires - it's the vaccine's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    my high school friend's facebook posts state "anyone vaccinated has had their immune system knocked out. This is leading to the increase in variants. When non-vaccinated people get infected with a variant it's because of the vaccinated people..."
    I guess it's not even worth trying to understand the "logic" behind this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    my high school friend's facebook posts state "anyone vaccinated has had their immune system knocked out. This is leading to the increase in variants. When non-vaccinated people get infected with a variant it's because of the vaccinated people..."

    They've made their cover story for when not being vaccinated backfires - it's the vaccine's fault.
    Just post this to their comment. Ideally, 100 times or more:

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    Back to the pandemic.

    I would like to hear from the experts but unless I misunderstand, this virus will be ricocheting around humanity until such a time as it runs out of fuel and dies out, so probably never.

    Seems to me that sensitive and rapid (and by that I mean results in 5 minutes) testing would be a lot of value to reduce the social activity of anyone who tests positive.
    I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

    "Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunion 2020 View Post
    Seems to me that sensitive and rapid (and by that I mean results in 5 minutes) testing would be a lot of value to reduce the social activity of anyone who tests positive.
    The same people who refuse to get vaccinated will refuse to get tested, especially if they are asymptomatic.

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    Survival is relative: we don't really need rapid measles tests.

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    California plans to end nearly all restrictions June 15. https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics...bignews_latest
    We'll see.

    (In other news, asteroid big enough to destroy earth on course to strike earth June 16. World leaders agree to keep quiet about it. It's been nice knowing y'all.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    California plans to end nearly all restrictions June 15. https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics...bignews_latest
    We'll see.

    (In other news, asteroid big enough to destroy earth on course to strike earth June 16. World leaders agree to keep quiet about it. It's been nice knowing y'all.)
    I bet it won’t happen for Nevada county with current trends.

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    Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

    Quote Originally Posted by Bunion 2020 View Post
    Seems to me that sensitive and rapid (and by that I mean results in 5 minutes) testing would be a lot of value to reduce the social activity of anyone who tests positive.
    This is a major component (rapid surveillance testing) to the “shield” program developed and deployed at uiuc. Though their rapid test was not that fast. The state is now deploying some sort of scaled up version. The uiuc is being touted as the method of how to “do it.” In Urbana-Champaign, many bizes required evidence of your weekly or biweekly negative test to step in the door.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-84192-y

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongShortLong View Post
    I'll play. We're dumb.
    True enough. I'll give you that.

    Quote Originally Posted by LongShortLong View Post
    Covid doesn't care about politics. All it needs is a few people close together willing to transmit it.
    You mean like this?...



    Quote Originally Posted by LongShortLong View Post
    I do believe the border crossers are getting tested before being sent around the country, unlike the spring breakers.
    HA! Here's some local news from here for ya:
    https://www.valleycentral.com/news/l...to-quarantine/
    https://ktxs.com/news/local/covid-te...d-consistently

    Quote Originally Posted by LongShortLong View Post
    Regardless, all it needs is a few people close together willing to transmit it. Spreading people around spreads variants around. We're dumb.

    IMO, we should keep the indoors stuff closed, and restrict travel, and have mandatory quarantines for those who must travel. I'm not in charge though. The goal should be drive the cases very low, and keep them very low or zero. Allowing any increase in cases is like building a revolving payday loan - a bad idea that's gonna suck.

    China is a large country, and they both crushed a rapidly growing pandemic, and kept it crushed. Australia is also large, and after a slow start, has done the same. Folks look to Israel and its high vax rate... they also have mask requirements and restricted indoor gatherings, AND clamped down hard during the vax campaign (and their cases fall by half every week).

    eta: We could end this if we wanted to
    So you're pro-hard lock down it would seem? I suppose that's where we'll never quite see eye to eye. If this was airborne Ebola, I'd be with you. But locking down the entire country for something with such a high survival rate overall, I just still can't get behind that. The vaccine's out. All the most susceptible have already been offered it, with a VERY high take rate. I think we're through the worst of it and refuse to live in fear any longer. But going back to the border thing, the only reason I bring it up is that it seems there's a Venn diagram overlap of people who both (A) take COVID super seriously and (B) don't take border issues seriously at all. And yes, what's going on down here IS very relevant if you're serious about COVID transmission from international sources. All the countries you cited don't play around like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    So you're pro-hard lock down it would seem? I suppose that's where we'll never quite see eye to eye. If this was airborne Ebola, I'd be with you. But locking down the entire country for something with such a high survival rate
    So being cursed with a plague that's too subtle is worse than airborne ebola--deadlier and more expensive. Obviously. Not because of any feature of the plague but because humans are too stupid. You remember the first plague story? Didn't change any minds in Egypt, either, right? This is why we can't have nice things.

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    I have a friend that had covid in June. Recovered. Just had her gall bladder out a week ago. Recovering. Scheduled to vax tomorrow. Tested pos for covid again last night.

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    I thought people were saying no ibupro with he vax? Jabber just said go for it.

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    It’s not gonna negate the vax but it could in theory lessen the response so just use Tylenol instead (if needed)

    Get a good sleep before and after your jab to maximize response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    You mean like this?....
    Exactly. I mean I'm sure there's lots of political "reasoning" that claims it's ok, it's not. That's a superspreader location.

    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    All the countries you cited don't play around like that.
    Like other countries, the borders should be "closed" until the pandemic passes. By closed I mean sit in quarantine until you're very much less likely to spread covid than the region visited. Considering also that as a traveler we assume you're more likely to have more contacts. We might want to similarly limit regional travel.

    It's not a hard lockdown that excites me. It's getting the case numbers really low while driving them lower. <300 active cases for the whole country seems a good target, all traced and contained. It's my opinion this would be much better for the economy than opening early. Is it practical in the US? Well, we're dumb.

    Vaccines alone won't get us there very fast. Cases locally were falling 30-40% a week in January. Now many of us are vaccinated and cases are rising slightly. We're failing. Every state has shown the ability to rapidly drive down case counts - we should do that until the cases are low enough that lesser measures can keep them low.

    The faster we drive down cases, the sooner we can let up on restrictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongShortLong View Post
    Exactly. I mean I'm sure there's lots of political "reasoning" that claims it's ok, it's not. That's a superspreader location.


    Like other countries, the borders should be "closed" until the pandemic passes. By closed I mean sit in quarantine until you're very much less likely to spread covid than the region visited. Considering also that as a traveler we assume you're more likely to have more contacts. We might want to similarly limit regional travel.

    It's not a hard lockdown that excites me. It's getting the case numbers really low while driving them lower. <300 active cases for the whole country seems a good target, all traced and contained. It's my opinion this would be much better for the economy than opening early. Is it practical in the US? Well, we're dumb.

    Vaccines alone won't get us there very fast. Cases locally were falling 30-40% a week in January. Now many of us are vaccinated and cases are rising slightly. We're failing. Every state has shown the ability to rapidly drive down case counts - we should do that until the cases are low enough that lesser measures can keep them low.

    The faster we drive down cases, the sooner we can let up on restrictions.
    Gonna give you a lot of credit for your position as I do appreciate your intellectual consistency. Perhaps that's been our country's biggest issue. A lack of consistency. Even the places that were most hardcore here, would then be totally hypocritical. ie California forcing restaurants to shut down, even outdoor dining, whilst letting film production crews have their catering tents as per usual. Something tells me that if YOU were governor, you wouldn't exactly be one to eat at the French Laundry in a large group sans masks or distancing. That sort of inconsistency and hypocrisy has certainly hurt the messaging.

    Good post though, Long. Even if we don't see eye to eye, I do appreciate it.

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    As an anecdote I have a friend that is Taiwanese, going home for a wedding and will have to quarantine for 14 solid days before going to see family.

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