Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[XXX-er]

like, fucking the animals and siblings is out now?

they must have got tired of your mom ?

[MakersTeleMark]

I know a shitton of teachers where I live.

And they are just in a very very sad mood, burring their heads knowing that they are walking into the trenches like WWI.

It's a fucked up situation to say the least.

Shit is going bad. Really bad.

[Smoova]

Blue state colleges are going online only again.. Red states say hold my booster.

https://today.duke.edu/2021/12/duke-...pring-semester

https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/20...ccine-booster/

Administrators at "elite" schools are in a tight spot: the college product (professors/staff) do not want in-person classes, the customers (full-pay parents) are largely reluctant to pay full-price for online school and (IIRC) annual college budgets are largely funded by tuition payments. The rub is that virtually every "elite" school permits kids to take gap years. If those colleges return to online education for a material portion of the spring semester, there may be a tidal wave of budget-wrecking gap years next fall. It will be fascinating to watch this play out.

[The SnowShow]

I know a shitton of teachers where I live.

And they are just in a very very sad mood, burring their heads knowing that they are walking into the trenches like WWI.

It's a fucked up situation to say the least.

Shit is going bad. Really bad.

I feel for them. So needless to say, plan for K-12 online soon and hope for the best?

[MakersTeleMark]

I feel for them. So needless to say, plan for K-12 online soon and hope for the best?

Full march into in person. Are you kidding me.

[Thaleia]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...ance-1.6300831

new rules in ontario

Yeah we're essentially fucked at this point. Absolutely shocked (not at all) how incompetent the Ford government has been.

[XXX-er]

well its a data point of whats happening in other jurisdictions what other epidemiologists might be doing and rather important if you consider eastern USA/ eastern Canada the one big smear of humanity from Florida to la belle province

[ex-powderbroker]

i’d go to the icu for that burn but they’re all full.

oh well, here’s to being one day closer to the end of this, whenever that is.

[SumJongGuy]

Administrators at "elite" schools are in a tight spot: the college product (professors/staff) do not want in-person classes, the customers (full-pay parents) are largely reluctant to pay full-price for online school and (IIRC) annual college budgets are largely funded by tuition payments. The rub is that virtually every "elite" school permits kids to take gap years. If those colleges return to online education for a material portion of the spring semester, there may be a tidal wave of budget-wrecking gap years next fall. It will be fascinating to watch this play out.

Sone states have recently added a 5 year expiration date on college program credits or financial aid arrangements. So, anything beyond a year of gaps could prevent graduation or disqualify additional financial aid.

[LongShortLong]

The new TWiV just came out
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-848/

Skip to 24:00 for clinician advice about prescribing antivirals, and which pharmacies may have it. It's medical jargon, best to let your doctor listen.

Looking at the approval, these are for high risk people, 12 years and up, with positive Covid test, as soon as possible after the test.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...tment-covid-19
^ That one seems to be considered the better one, though maybe it just has Pfizer's marketing. It's also the less available one, so Griffin recommends writing the Rx with a fallback to molnupiravir.

Dunno why you couldn't take both (and a horse paste chaser), but I'm no doctor.

[bobz]

Looking at the New York Times Covid hotspot map
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vid-cases.html

I was struck by the location of many western “hotspots” such as
Deschutes County OR (Mt Bachelor)
Blaine County ID (Sun Valley)
Teton County WY (JHMR)
King & Pierce Counties WA (Snoqualmie, Crystal, Stevens)
Gallatin County MT (Bozeman)
Salt Lake (LCC, BCC, PC)
Summit and Eagle Counties CO

The only western ski touron destinations not currently a “hotspot” are Tahoe and N NM

Coincidence?

Taos has been underserved by the recent storm cycles so far, so that could be the reason there. As for Tahoe, my sense is that it's less of a whole-country destination resort than most of the other places that you mention; really, it's mainly a destination resort for the Bay Area, where Covid rates have gone up but have remained moderate.

[bobz]

Administrators at "elite" schools are in a tight spot: the college product (professors/staff) do not want in-person classes, the customers (full-pay parents) are largely reluctant to pay full-price for online school and (IIRC) annual college budgets are largely funded by tuition payments. The rub is that virtually every "elite" school permits kids to take gap years. If those colleges return to online education for a material portion of the spring semester, there may be a tidal wave of budget-wrecking gap years next fall. It will be fascinating to watch this play out.

Yup, in the Bay Area, public schools did online classes for the bulk of the pandemic up until the start of the past fall semester. Meanwhile, just about every private middle school and high school I know of has pulled out all the stops (rigorous testing and quarantine rules etc) to remain open for in-person classes, now and for pretty much all of the previous 20-21 school year too. My sister is an admin at one, and that's the reason; parents aren't going to want to pay the big bucks for Zoom classes.

[Smoova]

Sone states have recently added a 5 year expiration date on college program credits or financial aid arrangements. So, anything beyond a year of gaps could prevent graduation or disqualify additional financial aid.

I don't think the college administrators are worried about gap years by kids receiving material amounts of financial aid - it's the full-pay students who fund the annual budgets at the elite, private schools.

[The SnowShow]

Full march into in person. Are you kidding me.

Oh they’ll start in-person. But what happens when half the teachers are out sick?

[AdironRider]

Outside of the same 10 fearmongers here, most parents aren’t going to put up with a third year of remote learning at any level. Whether that being writing a 50k check to college, to their kindergartners who are already a year behind.

Proficiency in math and reading have dropped by double digit percentages over the span of two years. There is a mental health crisis in kids under 18 per the CDC. SumJungGuy might be scared, but most others are fucking over the effects on their kids who are more likely to die driving to school than from COVID.

Teachers need to deal with it. The vast majority of the country has to show up for work, they can also. Otherwise they just continue to prove they don’t actually give a shit about the kids.

[SumJongGuy]

Otherwise they just continue to prove they don’t actually give a shit about the kids.

It's more of a red state religion versus blue state science mentality than "fear mongering". Regardless, the folks I've spoken with directly who favor in person are stressing the needs of the PARENTS to have that free state sponsored socialist public school daycare running so they can either go to work or work from home without having to deal with their kids 9-5 on any level. THAT'S the real reason in spite of the cries of "but the kids". When it comes to the kids, they want them in school.. AND WITHOUT MASKS. Ya, tell me again it's about the welfare of the kids..

[skiskiskiskiski]

Outside of the same 10 fearmongers here, most parents aren’t going to put up with a third year of remote learning at any level. Whether that being writing a 50k check to college, to their kindergartners who are already a year behind.

Proficiency in math and reading have dropped by double digit percentages over the span of two years. There is a mental health crisis in kids under 18 per the CDC. SumJungGuy might be scared, but most others are fucking over the effects on their kids who are more likely to die driving to school than from COVID.

Teachers need to deal with it. Over 50 percent of the country has to show up for work, they can also. Otherwise they just continue to prove they don’t actually give a shit about the kids.

It would help if district's would follow a science based approach to covid protection.

Like wearing masks and requiring vaccines and social distance.

Kids i know with reasonable parents that believe in science have no problem wearing masks.

They understand the risk to them is low but the risks to some others is high and are willing to wear a mask to mitigate it. They do better than adults a lot of the times.. It doesn't hurt their mental health. Kids are generally reasonable, kind and considerate humans if there parents are.

The kids of crazy anti science parents? Not so much.

I do think it makes sense to shut down for short periods when cases spike.

[AdironRider]

Tell that to the parents of young kids with speech issues.

Most parents of realized the effects of COVID are not nearly as bad as the effects of lockdowns, remote learning, and yes even masks. The kids are not at risk, are neither are the teachers.

Get vaxxed and move the fuck on with it. Anything else is me first behavior at best.

[Buzzworthy]

Tell that to the parents of young kids with speech issues.

Most parents of realized the effects of COVID are not nearly as bad as the effects of lockdowns, remote learning, and yes even masks. The kids are not at risk, are neither are the teachers.

Get vaxxed and move the fuck on with it. Anything else is me first behavior at best.

Um no.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Tell that to the parents of young kids with speech issues.

Most parents of realized the effects of COVID are not nearly as bad as the effects of lockdowns, remote learning, and yes even masks. The kids are not at risk, are neither are the teachers.

Get vaxxed and move the fuck on with it. Anything else is me first behavior at best.

Speech issues? Elaborate please


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[altacoup]

^^^
I pretty much never agree with anything you say. But the virus isn’t going anywhere. Controlling it is a ship that sailed a long time ago. Getting vaxed and boosted cuts the rush of serious illness to a more than acceptable level. For most people it turns it into a standard cold. I feel for the super young and those who fit legit reasons can’t get vaxed. Anti vaxers can just go fuck themselves and shouldn’t be allowed access to modern medicine since they can treat themselves. But we have the tools to deal with this now. Keeping everything shut down isn’t the answer

[Smoova]

Speech issues? Elaborate please


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Young kids with learning disabilities who need to see a teacher's mouth in order to continue speech development. My brother has a daughter in this camp. Masking in schools has frozen/reversed her development over the last two years since both parents are nurses who cannot WFH. The school mask mandates have converted him and his wife wife from life-long liberals into folks who will vote for any candidate who opposes school mask mandates.

[SumJongGuy]

Tell that to the parents of young kids with speech issues.

Most parents of realized the effects of COVID are not nearly as bad as the effects of lockdowns, remote learning, and yes even masks. The kids are not at risk, are neither are the teachers.

Get vaxxed and move the fuck on with it. Anything else is me first behavior at best.

This is laughable. My kids struggled badly but that was the lessor of two evils.. Beats not being able to get in to the emergency room when you're fucking dying..

For starters lots of kids were already doing remote learning and doing fine enough.. Kids in the hospital, fighting cancer and other ailments.. But mostly the fucking evangelical christian home schooler folks who were afraid of their kids sharing school bathrooms with gay kids... also antivaxers OG version. And now they're the same ones bitching about remote learning.. That's pretty fucking rich.. and top it off with a side of no remote learning and no mask requirements.. ya LOL.

[AdironRider]

Listen to yourself. Afraid of gay kids in the bathroom? Seriously?

More like they saw their kid regress or stall academically while people like SumJungGuy go to their favorite restaurant without masks on the regular and realized it is all bullshit.

Literally every metric proves "remote learning and doing fine" argument wrong. But you don't need metrics when you watch your kid struggle in real life.

[skiskiskiskiski]

Tell that to the parents of young kids with speech issues.

Most parents of realized the effects of COVID are not nearly as bad as the effects of lockdowns, remote learning, and yes even masks. The kids are not at risk, are neither are the teachers.

Get vaxxed and move the fuck on with it. Anything else is me first behavior at best.

My nephew is deaf and he wears a mask. There are challenges, sure, but he's doing ok.