Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Deebased]

Source? https://wset.com/news/coronavirus/ga...ckdown#photo-7

It's an AP photo from the 8th. There are plenty more all over the webz.

[KQ]

Anyone seen any new studies on the origination of COVID-19 or is it pretty settled that it came from the Wuhan wet market?

If that is the case, I sure hope we see some world wide pressure on the closing of the Chinese wildlife markets. It will only be a matter of time before it happens again if not. Unfortunately, PC may cost us the ability to do that and save millions of future lives for fear of being called a "racist" and criticizing the activities of another culture.

Leading up to this there were many studies calling these markets a ticking time bomb. So far, only one of the bombs have gone off. Many to come.

Nearly 30% of Americans believe coronavirus was made in a lab, Pew poll shows

Beijing tightens grip over coronavirus research, amid US-China row on virus origin

[LegoSkier]

Two of the biggest things we still need to figure out:

1) How long the virus is viable on surfaces, not just detectable

2) How many asymptomatic people are *INFECTIOUS* not just infected.

This. People need to understand the difference between the existence of viral RNA and the existence of a viable virus.
Most of these tests are using PCR to test for viral RNA. RNA and DNA are very stable molecules so looking for various fragments on surfaces, you will almost always find it if an infected person has been there any time in the recent past. PCR is so insanely sensitive a process that it can literally allow you to amplify a single small nucleotide segment billions of times and detect any ghost of a segment floating around.
That doesn't really tell you shit though on if you will get sick touching that surface or existing in that space. Only trying to culture the virus from samples of that surface will tell you that. And nearly every study that I have seen on that says that encountering a viable virus from a surface is likely a low probability event.

Personally, I'm not planning on doing anything different with my shoes other than taking them off when entering the house like I always do.

[dunfree]

These concepts are not hard and have been part of Western civilization for a very long time..

this is wrong, ignorant, racist, and stupid. Well done.

[KQ]

Take Putin to the poliass version of this thread.



Has there been a definitive determination that recovered patients are in fact immune? There's even debate in this thread vis à vis re-infection vs late stage flare up, and faulty testing.

Any non-dentists care to chime in on that?

Mystery In Wuhan: Recovered Coronavirus Patients Test Negative ... Then Positive

[MultiVerse]

Source? https://wset.com/news/coronavirus/ga...ckdown#photo-7

Maybe one of the more useful ideas coming out of Sweden is they are not testing people who are experiencing symptoms. In a country with generous sick leave they tell those people to stay home, and they do. That, along with other measures, means they've slowed the spread as evidenced by the steep drop off in other diseases like the flu.

We could do something similar. Stop testing the symptomatic, just assume you're positive and self-quarantine. Instead, regularly test frontline workers like police, health care, EMTs, pharmacists, transit, and supermarket employees.

At some point we might even be capable of testing saliva samples. Then test everyone every couple of weeks.

Self-quarantines, ideally with pay and benefits, for anyone with symptoms or who tests positive and the math says R0 goes below one, so no more widespread outbreaks, and no more shutdowns.

[gravitylover]

Rat Flu possibly attacking T cells:
https://www.inkstonenews.com/science...rticle/3079592

Fuck

[east or bust]

Not going to go back and quote posts from previous pages, but when gretch was talking about closing down wet markets I don’t think he was meaning US farmers markets. By definition yes, they are considered wet markets. From the videos I’ve seen of wet markets in china we’re talking about two very different things. The “wet” farmers markets in Pennsylvania didn’t have stacks of caged animals shitting all over each other. The Stotzfus’s didn’t show up with their best heads of cattle ready to slaughter on site.

JHC if you didn’t get that distinction right off the bat (haha) you may need some help.

[The AD]

Not going to go back and quote posts from previous pages, but when gretch was talking about closing down wet markets I don’t think he was meaning US farmers markets. By definition yes, they are considered wet markets

I think that's sort of the point. Just saying "wet markets" should be banned is not the answer because wet markets are not inherently unsafe. Instead specific practices (that seem to be common at some Chinese wet markets) need to be outlawed .

[dunfree]

So.... backyard chicken coops is a barbaric practice that should be banned?

if you don’t get that watching videos online might not be the best representation of normal practice....

[LHutz Esq]

Trashcan - vibes dude. Glad it worked out for the better. I can’t imagine doing cpr on a loved one. It’s not fun on a stranger - the added pressure of a family member would be huge. Good on you brother.


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[east or bust]

So.... backyard chicken coops is a barbaric practice that should be banned?

if you don’t get that watching videos online might not be the best representation of normal practice....

Who’s talking about backyard chicken coops? Try to keep up.

[gretch6364]

I think that's sort of the point. Just saying "wet markets" should be banned is not the answer because wet markets are not inherently unsafe. Instead specific practices (that seem to be common at some Chinese wet markets) need to be outlawed .

Again....what I posted was "I sure hope we see some world wide pressure on the closing of the Chinese wildlife markets"

Then I spoke about separation within wet markets. I never said close the wet markets.

[2bjenny]

Kind of interesting...tracing the variants of Covid-19

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/...ndemic-origins

[gretch6364]

So.... backyard chicken coops is a barbaric practice that should be banned?

if you don’t get that watching videos online might not be the best representation of normal practice....

Also..a backyard chicken coop would be separation of live animals from butchering site and a single species. WTF is going on with people reading post?

[dunfree]

Also..a backyard chicken coop would be separation of live animals from butchering site and a single species. WTF is going on with people reading post?

you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about and just doing the bash China bullshit, that’s what’s going on.

[KQ]

Who’s talking about backyard chicken coops? Try to keep up.

People are reportedly panic-buying baby chickens

[Benny Profane]

Cuomo just formed a Northeast region association to share in decision making and action. All the governors just made statements at the same time on my TV.. It's a big fuck you to Trump, and maybe the beginning of the balkanization of America.

[Kevo]

So.... backyard chicken coops is a barbaric practice that should be banned?

if you don’t get that watching videos online might not be the best representation of normal practice....

How extensively have you traveled in China? I've been to wet markets in mainland China. They are everything that videos show them to be.

[glademaster]

Cuomo just formed a Northeast region association to share in decision making and action. All the governors just made statements at the same time on my TV.. It's a big fuck you to Trump, and maybe the beginning of the balkanization of America.

How long after the start of that process does the ethnic cleansing begin?

[KQ]

Cuomo just formed a Northeast region association to share in decision making and action. All the governors just made statements at the same time on my TV.. It's a big fuck you to Trump, and maybe the beginning of the balkanization of America.

Well the WH has told the states to fend for themselves so they might as well all secede from the union.

[gretch6364]

this is wrong, ignorant, racist, and stupid. Well done.

Thanks. FYI, Western Civilization is not a single race and is rooted in the Mediterranean and can also include latin societies...but yes, narrow your sights and assume I meant white society. Talk about reading what you want. Stop being so damn sensitive and assuming everyone is a racist just because they criticize a specific aspect of a certain group of people.

The discussion is specifically related to co-mingling live and dead animals and many species in a market.

[gretch6364]

you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about and just doing the bash China bullshit, that’s what’s going on.

You don't know WTF is coming out of your stupid mouth. I grew up in a farm town and had a chicken coop...you are just being dumb. I am not bashing China, I am bashing the setup of many of the markets within China.

[gravitylover]

Cuomo just formed a Northeast region association to share in decision making and action. All the governors just made statements at the same time on my TV.. It's a big fuck you to Trump, and maybe the beginning of the balkanization of America.

Sounded like it right.

[AK47bp]

From an Asian wet market I was at. Even the domestic animal trade is a bit unhygienic






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