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07-13-2020, 04:38 PM #22776
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07-13-2020, 04:41 PM #22777Registered User
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Mustonen is making a simple point, shut the fuck up guys.
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07-13-2020, 04:41 PM #22778
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07-13-2020, 04:43 PM #22779
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07-13-2020, 05:11 PM #22780
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07-13-2020, 05:18 PM #22781
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07-13-2020, 05:22 PM #22782“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
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Dunkin’ Donuts Worker Dances With Customer Who Has Autism
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07-13-2020, 05:28 PM #22783I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
"Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"
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07-13-2020, 05:47 PM #22784
On opening schools, this case study from early in the pandemic may help understand the implications. The U of Chile finally got peer review for their study of the first school outbreak of Covid19 in Santiago, at a private school (Saint George's), with 1,009 students and 235 teachers/workers getting tested.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article...iaa955/5869860
My ignorant takeaway is that it spread fast, and mainly from adults to children, starting about the same week the virus was first confirmed in Chile and the schools opened. The timeline of the school opening, starting with teacher-parent meetings, and subsequent PCR positive cases was:
A total of 52 cases had resulted from the SG´s outbreak including 45 amongst the staff and parents, and only 7 students (all PCR). Many parents had symptoms 6-7 days after teacher-parent meetings. The antibody study began 2 months after the first case. The tests were sent by courier with the results submitted online. They indicated:
* 10% of the students were infected, and 21% of the teachers (17% of total staff)
* The student infection rate varied from 6% in the 4 high school years, to 12% in preschool.
* 40% of students infected were asymptomatic, while 18% of the teachers/staff were.
* It is believed that transmission started in pre-school teachers meetings, and followed in parent-teacher meetings, as the school opened only 9 days before having to close again.
Lots of demographic type detail, including symptoms, are in the study, if you have the time.
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07-13-2020, 06:27 PM #22785
I think it was a mistake when they started to put every kid in a college prep curriculum. I was in college prep at a HS in Detroit that had 22 curricula--auto mechanics, aeronautical mechanics, drafting (that one is probably gone), music, there was a large room where they were building a small house. When we added a second story our plumber was a young guy who was working summers as a plumber's helper while he put himself through dental school--decided he liked plumbing better.
Around here the building trades are heavily Latino.
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07-13-2020, 06:42 PM #22786
Wonder how many small business owners are anti-mask ...
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07-13-2020, 06:43 PM #22787
Indoor air I certainly buy--but I think we're talking more about the indoor air in bars and the like. With coronavirus spiking around the country, though, it's spiking in places where people spend more time outdoors in the summer (like here) as well as places where they stay indoors. (I spent a year in Tucson and I spent plenty of time outdoors when I wasn't working all year. The gatherings I went to were outdoors, even in the summer.) And if people are staying indoors specifically for the AC they're generally doing it at home. Sorry, but I'll stick with the idiocy theory. (When this thing first started people were speculating that it would go away in the summer like the flu because people spent more time outdoors.)
The UV-C idea is interesting --I guess it's thought it doesn't cause cancer like A and B do.
Certainly air exchanges with filtration in public indoor spaces--whether it is cooling, heating, or temperature neutral makes good sense.
Not really scientifically relevant but during the polio epidemic of the early 50's it was outdoors, especially swimming pools that people avoided. Not relevant because polio is fecal-oral, not respiratory.
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07-13-2020, 06:49 PM #22788
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07-13-2020, 07:25 PM #22789
My place of employment will be going to masks are mandatory tomorrow. Hopefully the city does as well, they decide tomorrow.
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07-13-2020, 08:17 PM #22790
What about hypochondriac early infection statistical dynamics (HEISD*)?
Here's a scenario:
(1) People in high risk jobs and situations do wear masks and distance and not pick noses without washing hands first.
(2) Jobs like in #1 are targeted by testing (we've seen where only testing is for select populations).
(3) There are others, some among #1 and yet more that are just hypochondriac and get tested. But these hypochondriacs are actually already taking precautions, wearing masks, not spending time face to face with anti-maskers, etc. So .. they also have a very low incidence of actual infection even though they present at hospitals with a myriad of symptoms.
As such, with low testing, the infection rates could remain low because the people in #1 are not actually infected since they do take precautions, and the people from #3 are not infected because they are not actually infected very much, so much as very diligent to assuage their longing to have a swap inserted into their deep brain nasal cavity.
That doesn't change the fact that among the non-hypochondriac crowd, and the non-cautions low risk crowd, that the infection rates of asymptomatic people are generally high.
Now, testing is thrown open wide and encourage testing and only the people that 'might think that they could potentially be infected' subject themselves to hospital facial recognition systems and get a giant Q-tip jammed up their schnoz.
With HEISD, what do we find?
(1) We find that every one that isn't taking precautions has got it.
(2) We find that the great majority are asymptomatic.
(3) We find that rates are increasing.
(4) We find that some deaths eventually increase.
If you look at the deaths and cases in Florida, there is a disconnect. It is not 100% clear that even a 3 or 4 week gestation period explains the stats.
Deaths are not increasing as cases increase like one would think.
As for the belief that Floridians are all squeezing the fresh juice and then sucking from the same straw,
that might be the situation in places where the sweltering heat and humidity is a going concern.
And they might be mask wearing ... but it takes a lot more paranoia to wear a mask in 100 degree humidity than it does where cool ocean breezes blow.
I just think we can't dis the south and their collective behavior until the summer is over, the fall is here and everyone has accepted that a real round 2 is among us.
*HEISD (the 's' is silent) facilitating the virus' most dangerous quality known as ...
heisd and seek.
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07-13-2020, 08:45 PM #22791
Um... sounds reely awesum. You oughta do a study and post it up on Medrxiv. Or better yet, get a former gameshow host to endorse your conclusions.
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07-13-2020, 08:48 PM #22792
Pressley hits DeVos over reopening schools: 'I wouldn't trust you to care for a house plant let alone my child'
Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) swiped at Education Secretary Betsy DeVos on Sunday after the Trump administration official doubled down on her push for students to return to school.
In a tweet knocking DeVos on Sunday afternoon, the first-term lawmaker directly called her out, writing, “@BetsyDeVosED you have no plan. Teachers, kids and parents are fearing for their lives.”
“You point to a private sector that has put profits over people and claimed the lives of thousands of essential workers. I wouldn’t trust you to care for a house plant let alone my child,” she continued.“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
Kindness is a bridge between all people
Dunkin’ Donuts Worker Dances With Customer Who Has Autism
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07-13-2020, 09:03 PM #22793
There was a little chatter several days back about kn95, I missed most of it was busy. According to this, seems they are very similar? I thought I heard people in here saying not as good and or questionable construction etc.
https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/...classes-tb.pdf
I bought some cheapy surgical mask with earloop type and they are way better for casual interaction outdoors, easy on easy off etc.
For supermarkets, Home Depot, and working with nasty particulates like concrete I’m still wearing my same n95, but it’s got a few dozen days on it and beat. Shit you not, someone sneezed with no elbow (or hand) over the mouth and no mask at Lowe’s today. Ridiculous.
Anyone test drive some kn’s?
Best deal on amazon? There’s page after page to filter (ha) through.
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07-13-2020, 09:13 PM #22794
And then for good measure an article on aerosols popped into my newsfeed
https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...t-transmission
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07-13-2020, 09:26 PM #22795glocal
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Turns out that asthmatics might not be as susceptible to the worst results as previously thought.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...-COVID-19.aspx
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07-13-2020, 09:35 PM #22796
Oh, so you're thinking the AC theory is that Arizonans actually aren't idiots? I've only ever spent a few weeks there, but I can't take the other side of that bet. I was just thinking AC-season compounds it. But given the timing of the surge some future decrease in stupidity would easily eclipse all other factors. If it happens. (ASHRAE does cite the study that showed increased infectiousness due to reduced function of mucus membranes in low humidity, though, so I'm feeling pretty smug about that. Also since that's my favorite feature of masks.)
As I understand it, UVC is mostly only going to penetrate the eyes, so maybe some polycarbonate lenses. But for many settings you don't actually have to let it hit you directly anyway, just shine it on the ceiling or park it in a duct etc if going for passive. Also encouraging that they list UVC as having the highest level of evidence, even if it's mostly thanks to TB studies. I think I'm going to dig in and figure out which one to buy for my wife; Amazon pricing looks cheaper than liability. I guess if she gets a tan we'll make a shade for it (or switch her to a polycarbonate face shield).
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07-13-2020, 09:46 PM #22797
My wife was using those for a month or two and I dug in to that same 3M statement and a couple other things. Seems like they're basically equivalent on paper, unless they gap. So whether they fit and/or hold up as well is a bigger deal and individual, of course. Some liked them better, she found them to be a little less durable than some others, but better than a 3M that's poorly fitted. Gotta try to know. Still on disposables in July. Ridiculous.
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07-13-2020, 09:54 PM #22798
Noted thanks.
And yeah how we haven’t put 3m in wartime footing I don’t know.
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07-13-2020, 09:54 PM #22799
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07-13-2020, 10:03 PM #22800
Occam's Razor doesn't work well in biology, or statistics.
If you said "We have a good history of data from randomized testing in the general population,
and now more are testing positive" ..
then sure, more people have it.
Does Florida do properly administered randomized testing?
Miami-Dade County and the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine announce initial findings
https://www.miamidade.gov/releases/2...ng-results.asp
So ... the levels of infection were already well established before the increases in actual voluntary testing.
Hence ... there was always a shitload of infections. It is just that now we have that shitload showing up in the general testing results.
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