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    Quote Originally Posted by skiballs View Post
    Maryland has a Republican Governor, and has perhaps the best response of any State in the country, go figure.


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    How about Vermont? We have by most any metric the best response for a US state and we have a republican governor. Amazing that all he had to do was listen to the state experts and do what they said. Had a bit of delay with a mask mandate but he came around.

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    Let's do some livin'
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    Quote Originally Posted by mfcf13 View Post
    So the two regions with the highest obesity rates, the most republican politicians and the weakest economies are also the two regions that are most likely to become leper colonies in coming months?
    You have a weakness now too. Your weakness (if nothing else) is the bad karma of this schadenfreude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    FAQs on Protecting Yourself from COVID-19 Aerosol Transmission

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/e...h.guml01vbysm4
    in a thread full of coviod super spreading posters of meh twatshit and lame facefucks polibullshit
    this is one of the most solid links posted
    thanks
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    Now the governors of NJ/NY/CT are trying to figure out how to regulate travel between the three states. CT says NY numbers are too high and we shouldn't travel into his state except for essential travel and NY doesn't want NJ (or PA) residents to travel here. They're apparently going to talk about how to make this happen today. What a fucking hassle! My kids go to school in Danbury and my father in law lives in an assisted living facility in Ridgefield. I guess bringing his meds in will be essential but I bet the kids going to school won't be, if we had to have the local pharmacy deliver them it would cost $2k per month and that's not happening so we'd consider it essential. If the shit hits the fan and they don't we would have no choice but to have him move into our house which would suck so bad because my wife and I could never leave the house together.

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    I thought Cuomo announced that all three states will act as one instead of restricting access.

    Shit, half of my bike rides would be shut down.

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    The White House is considering slashing millions of dollars for coronavirus relief, HIV treatment, screenings for newborns and other programs in Democratic-led cities that President Donald Trump has deemed “anarchist jurisdictions,” according to documents obtained by POLITICO.
    Wasn’t it KQ who pointed out the weird overlaps between the covid thread and the protest thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    FAQs on Protecting Yourself from COVID-19 Aerosol Transmission

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/e...h.guml01vbysm4
    I like the way that article boiled down things to statistical probabilities for risk management. Along the lines of the Japanese 3C's

    "We can never be perfectly safe, only safer.  Hence, we need to take as many steps as possible to reduce the risk of our activities.  You should try to avoid or reduce as much as possible situations that facilitate inhaling the “smoke” (exhaled air) from others. To reduce risk avoid:

    Crowded spaces

    Close proximity to others

    Low ventilation environments

    Long durations

    Places where people are not wearing masks

    Talking, and especially loud talking / shouting / singing

    High breathing rates (e.g., indoor aerobic exercise)"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeLau View Post
    I like the way that article boiled down things to statistical probabilities for risk management. Along the lines of the Japanese 3C's

    "We can never be perfectly safe, only safer.  Hence, we need to take as many steps as possible to reduce the risk of our activities.  You should try to avoid or reduce as much as possible situations that facilitate inhaling the “smoke” (exhaled air) from others. To reduce risk avoid:

    Crowded spaces

    Close proximity to others

    Low ventilation environments

    Long durations

    Places where people are not wearing masks

    Talking, and especially loud talking / shouting / singing

    High breathing rates (e.g., indoor aerobic exercise)"
    "Talking, and especially loud talking "

    Freaks me out. I cringe and run when there are people around me, wearing masks, who do this. Shut up or take it outside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideski View Post
    In credible or not credible?
    Here's the question Gallup asked: Compare your situation today with what it was four years ago. Are you better off or not? The calls were conducted from September 14 to 28, 2020. Incredibly, 56% answered that they were, and that's quite a bit higher than previous results.

    What to make of that? Your guess is as good as mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    You have a weakness now too. Your weakness (if nothing else) is the bad karma of this schadenfreude.
    You could deal with facts rather than ad hominins. It may be timely to refresh folks that this visualization exists with a pretty striking message ...
    https://dangoodspeed.com/covid/total-cases-since-june

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    Quote Originally Posted by truckeelocal View Post
    You could deal with facts rather than ad hominins. It may be timely to refresh folks that this visualization exists with a pretty striking message ...
    https://dangoodspeed.com/covid/total-cases-since-june
    Well done, North Dakota.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    And the studies were only looking at data through August.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post
    Now the governors of NJ/NY/CT are trying to figure out how to regulate travel between the three states. CT says NY numbers are too high and we shouldn't travel into his state except for essential travel and NY doesn't want NJ (or PA) residents to travel here. They're apparently going to talk about how to make this happen today. What a fucking hassle! My kids go to school in Danbury and my father in law lives in an assisted living facility in Ridgefield. I guess bringing his meds in will be essential but I bet the kids going to school won't be, if we had to have the local pharmacy deliver them it would cost $2k per month and that's not happening so we'd consider it essential. If the shit hits the fan and they don't we would have no choice but to have him move into our house which would suck so bad because my wife and I could never leave the house together.
    Travel restrictions, either between states, or countries, do more harm than good, imo (unless the state or country is highly isolated). Focus on reducing transmissions in all the ways that aerosol article points out, and focus on getting a high compliance to these protocols, but don't worry if people are traveling across state lines. That is not how the virus is spreading and draconian restrictions are enabling the anti-mask crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    FAQs on Protecting Yourself from COVID-19 Aerosol Transmission

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/e...h.guml01vbysm4
    Thank you for posting this! I have been working out a reopening plan for my business and this helps to solidify that plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    Here's the question Gallup asked: Compare your situation today with what it was four years ago. Are you better off or not? The calls were conducted from September 14 to 28, 2020. Incredibly, 56% answered that they were, and that's quite a bit higher than previous results.

    What to make of that? Your guess is as good as mine.
    I bet if you conducted that survey among registered posters here, the percentage would be substantially higher.
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    So while most threads devolve into Biden will save us and trump is an idiot, what is there to make of this which is Europe blowing up now? We are all fucked unless you can stay away from humans masks or no masks.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    Here's the question Gallup asked: Compare your situation today with what it was four years ago. Are you better off or not? The calls were conducted from September 14 to 28, 2020. Incredibly, 56% answered that they were, and that's quite a bit higher than previous results.

    What to make of that? Your guess is as good as mine.
    maybe for some older people were making more money maybe the plans they made kicked in ?

    I got older, got early CCP, inherited money

    prehaps the rich got richer and the poor got poorer
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    Missoula soccer club just posted that they are trying to organize a Thanksgiving alumni game or tourney or something similar.

    Brilliant! Bring the college kids back to comingle on the pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    One explanation for decreased death rates would be that as infections subsided in the initially hard hit areas the ICU's were no longer overwhelmed and the quality of care improved. If that is the case death rates could go back up, at least in places with ICU's at capacity, and especially in the more rural areas now spiking, which have much less experience and capacity for treating critical illness.
    No doubt an improvement in protocols and treatments is a very important factor; I wonder how much of the hard-gained knowledge has filtered down to small rural hospitals. Interview I saw last night with a doc from the boonies said the big city hospital was no longer accepting referrals due to being at capacity. One of the most important factors in carrying for the seriously ill is the ability of nurses and doctors to sense when a patient is about to go bad before they do, and that only comes with experience.
    Let's hope the trend continues, despite all that.

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    The EU just banned Canada from non-essential travel because of rising Covid rates. They review their lists every couple of weeks and we didn't make the cut. Thanks all you fucking wackjobs in Quebec, Ontario and Alberta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    You have a weakness now too. Your weakness (if nothing else) is the bad karma of this schadenfreude.
    I think you misunderstand. I feel immensely bad for the people in those states who are impacted by failed leadership. With shitty economic prospects in rural areas of these regions, bad health outcomes like obesity follow. And in the rare instances when politicians (like Governor Whitmer) in those states do try to adhere to a science based approach to Covid, what do they get in return? In Whitmer's case: policies overturned by partisan elected judges and a kidnapping attempt by some guys who lived in the basement of a vacuum supply store (and were stoked on by politicians and lack of any hope for positive financial future).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncskier View Post
    So while most threads devolve into Biden will save us and trump is an idiot, what is there to make of this which is Europe blowing up now? We are all fucked unless you can stay away from humans masks or no masks.
    Same problems as we're having here: easing of restrictions and people spending more time indoors has led to cases spiking. Just keep in mind the giant area between the two curves since April represents a gulf between cases in the U.S. and Europe that is now history and represents lots of people who have been seriously ill and perhaps even died who didn't need to. That's part of Trump's record now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truckeelocal View Post
    You could deal with facts rather than ad hominins. It may be timely to refresh folks that this visualization exists with a pretty striking message ...
    https://dangoodspeed.com/covid/total-cases-since-june
    Thank you for posting that. Very cool. And telling.

    Yeah there are exceptions to every rule but saying “stop it - there are good people in every state” is just illogical and it distracts from the big problem that is currently happening.

    There shouldn’t exist a feeling of schadenfreude - more it should be a how the hell do we fix whatever is leading to this trend?

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