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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    I’m just parroting what I’m reading here: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.subs...d-implications

    I thought the real world effectiveness data for Pfizer was that it effective against severe illness (hospitalization) from the delta variant, but not mild disease with uncertainty whether those that are fully vaxed with Pfizer will be able to easily spread it.
    Hmm. Im pretty sure I heard/read some biontech spokes person that it wasn't of much concern. Maybe im wrong.
    But the data Shows that the delta has been around 2% here in Germany for weeks without gaining much Traction. As opposed to alpha vs. Wild in january.
    And despite the uk having more contacts to India I don't see big differences in the Population other than the different vaccine.
    Plus: az has been proven to be less effektive against other variants like 1.1351 from SA.

    Edit: confused the Jan variants of the Virus
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    Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

    Good points about Germany and the different vaxes between the two countries. As the author of that blog post that I linked stated, we (USA) have horrible surveillance. That 6% of case rate statistic in the USA could be much higher. I have no idea about surveillance in other countries.
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    Cases are on the rise in the UK and just started increasing in the US again...

    Went to the post office today - 1 out of 15 with a mask on (me). Good luck getting people to mask up again if shit hits the fan.

    Meanwhile, with more and more states reporting only 1-3 times a week, we're going to be even slower to react if we need to.

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    At Whole Foods yesterday the only people I saw not wearing masks were employees.

    WTF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/05/...k-Wuhan-Story/

    an artical on why the Lab Leak in Wuhan doesnt hold up
    the tyee ? a real science pub and the author is a real science heavy hitter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper View Post
    At Whole Foods yesterday the only people I saw not wearing masks were employees.

    WTF?
    My local grocery chain's new policy is that their vaccinated employees have the option to not wear masks.

    As for the customers, mask usage declines in relation to distance from downtown.

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    BOSTON—Calling the benefit the only way to lure employees back into the workforce following the pandemic, local employer Apex Insurance announced Wednesday that it would begin offering basic dignity as an incentive for new hires. “Frankly, we don’t have the resources to hand out respect to every new hire, but if what’s needed is a perk like acknowledging that our employees are human beings rather than profit-producing cogs, then we’ll do it,” said Apex CEO Brandon Chenoweth, noting that the suite of basic decency benefits would include not actively degrading workers in front of their faces, openly speaking to them about the company’s problems as if they were adults, and even occasionally crediting them for their own work. “It was astonishing to see the number of potential employees in this post-Covid environment who turned down job offers simply because I acted like they were a literal piece of garbage whose fate rested in my palm. That’s new, and it shows that the pandemic is going to require some real inventiveness to get them back in the door and working like mules to boost our bottom line.” Chenoweth added that he hoped once the job market stabilized in a few months he would soon get back to treating his employees like absolute dogshit.

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    ^ heh. If it gets any worse for employers, they’re gonna have to start paying living wages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper View Post
    ^ heh. If it gets any worse for employers, they’re gonna have to start paying living wages.
    If the rest of the workforce has the mindset expressed in another thread, I would keep waiting as an employer.

    To quote:
    "When I lived in a Mountain towns I made 8.50 $ and was glad! Nowadays kids make 20 bucks for standing around."

    Who needs to make a living...just commute a few hours to serve the New Mountain town overlords.
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    This thread dropped to middle of second page. Pandemic must be over.

    California drops a lot of rules Tuesday. Still masks in public transport, schools, prisons, large gatherings, and any business can require them. CalOSHA says employees still have to wear masks--we'll see how long that lasts. Businesses can fully open--but good luck restaurants opening. Around here most aren't seating anyone, even outdoors, due to lack of workers. That's not likely to change, maybe ever for some. I wonder how much will really change. I expect to see a lot of masks still.

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    Definitely feels over in CO. Even though Mesa County is killing it with cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkendrenchman View Post
    Cases are on the rise in the UK and just started increasing in the US again...

    Went to the post office today - 1 out of 15 with a mask on (me). Good luck getting people to mask up again if shit hits the fan.

    Meanwhile, with more and more states reporting only 1-3 times a week, we're going to be even slower to react if we need to.
    We've reported 100 new cases since Memorial day in my small town.

    Still a good amount of mask wearing but you can bring your own bags to grocery stores now. All but one out of three I went to yesterday (just can't get all I need in one place) bagged for me. Lots of places with signs encouraging mask wearing still. No cart cleaning anymore either.

    Stats for our county:

    Walla Walla County
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    1 dose 28,449 (47.23%)
    2 doses 25,315 (42.03%)
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    I think this heart inflammation news is going to amplify. In the week after we got our pfizer shots, the wife and I had one day (day 4 or 5?) where we took the afternoon off to nap because we both had bad heart palpations. We are older than the age group of concern. We just don't think it was the chinese noodle we all ate for lunch. We've eaten that many times without a 7.5 hour long period of severe heart palpitations. They went away the next day. It was strange. Perhaps the dark soya sauce we had with our noodle. I think that has tons of MSG in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    I think this heart inflammation news is going to amplify. In the week after we got our pfizer shots, the wife and I had one day (day 4 or 5?) where we took the afternoon off to nap because we both had bad heart palpations. We are older than the age group of concern. We just don't think it was the chinese noodle we all ate for lunch. We've eaten that many times without a 7.5 hour long period of severe heart palpitations. They went away the next day. It was strange. Perhaps the dark soya sauce we had with our noodle. I think that has tons of MSG in it.
    psychosomatic paranoid moron, assholes like you make this pandemic worse than it needs to be

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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    news is going to amplify... the wife and I had one day (day 4 or 5?) where we took the afternoon off to nap because we both had bad heart palpations... chinese noodle we all ate for lunch. We've eaten that many times without a 7.5 hour long period of severe heart palpitations. They went away the next day.
    Non-deadly transient AE that is occurring at a rate of maybe as high as 1 in 20,000? Sucks, but not as bad as smallpox vaccine... why is this breaking news?

    While worthy of awareness for treatment and study, we should be scared about the incredibly high rates of cardiac injury in COVID-19 survivors that may be contributing to "long hauler" syndromes. We know 1 in 100 to as high as 1 in 20 sufferers of acute viral illness may have myocardial involvement. The annual rate for myopericarditis is probably around 1 in 20,000 in the US. However, for COVID survivors, the number is much much much higher, perhaps even as high as 1 in 10.

    PS your perceived brief "heart palpitation" are not the presenting symptom for myopericarditis. Sorry about your bad Chinese food bro...
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    Quote Originally Posted by k2skier112 View Post
    psychosomatic paranoid moron, assholes like you make this pandemic worse than it needs to be
    OH. LOL. Well they were some serious ones. I thought it was my imagination and the wife and checked each other's pulse and it was indeed wacked out. This lasted for almost half the day but it was bad from after lunch until late evening. I've had heart palpitations before - but never that bad. Haven't had any before or since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    PS your perceived brief "heart palpitation" are not the presenting symptom for myopericarditis.
    Really? But it is for myocarditis, right?
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    Once Bill Gates gets your 5G frequency tuned you and your wife should be fine. Bonus is that you should both be able to magnetize aluminum keys.

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    Maybe my will finally hear something - anything - I say.

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    Well this has been fun! Two (mostly outdoor) parties in the past week, and running club happened this morning. Anybody out there giving dirty looks for not wearing masks would have to be getting pretty worn down, because out on the sidewalks and paths, there's much less mask wearing (exception: I was in SF yesterday, and on the sidewalks there masks are still the norm). And I have to imagine that people are being much less careful nearly everywhere outside of my burg Mid-Peninsula. That, and in just a few more days, my fair state is calling most of the restrictions officially over.

    So I guess we'll see what happens, and if there's enough vax in the collective body for a bump in infection rates not to happen within the next month or so.

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    We went out for dinner last night.

    First time in 16 months.

    So I unearthed my favorite wine, the last one of a few I bought in 1998.

    w0000000000000000t!
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    ^^^That looks tasty

    Driving back into our village this pm there’s a kinda scruffy guy holding a sign at the edge of town that read:

    Covid 19
    Survival Rate 99.7%
    Sheeple

    I first thought “woah, I’d love to hear how the hell he came up with that tortured conclusion”
    Then I thought “no, I don’t really think I would”

    After stopping at the produce stand I looped back around to obtain photographic evidence, but alas he was gone.
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    Coming home from Camp Sherman around 3-ish I saw the same guy. Lots of time on his hands, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    I first thought “woah, I’d love to hear how the hell he came up with that tortured conclusion”
    Then I thought “no, I don’t really think I would”
    He subtracted 3 from 100... Duh!


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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    Really? But it is for myocarditis, right?
    same thing, and nope
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