Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[XXX-er]

some^^ very nice people i'm sure ... who fly

in vancover they found covid completely missed the down town eastside where all the drug addicts hang out, some of the worst realestate in north america

3 american heli skiers in 3 different bc heli ops

[KQ]

Fuck.

Father in law took a fall in the nursing home this morning. Currently sitting in the ambulance outside the ER for 90 minutes and counting because the ER is full. No ETA on getting him in. Pretty clear signs he has a concussion and potential spinal damage according to the nursing home staff.

Welcome to the new reality folks. Don't get hurt, ER's won't be able to help you and ambulance's won't be there to scrape you off the street.

[bennymac]

Dammit that sucks. Sorry to hear that, DJ. Hope you can get him the help he needs stat. Might be time to go full Karen on those mofos if they keep making him wait any longer.

FWIW, ER's have ALWAYS had terrible wait times IME. Was in Bozeman though, which is notorious for shitty service, so there's that. Seriously. Screw those guys. Thought my wife was gonna die, but they chose to take their sweet ass time. Had to get bent out of shape at some staff to get shit done. Best of luck and raise some hell if you need to.

JFC this is embarrassing to read. Did you speak to the ER manager? You haven’t given much detail but I’m guessing they didn’t “get shit done” because your wife needed it in a timely fashion - they did it because they did the math and figured it would prevent further bullshit behavior (“go full Karen on those mofos”) from the husband. It seems like you’re proud though. Hope your wife is ok.

[wooley12]

Hey everybody look at me. I can be an a hole IRL too. What I read.

[ill-advised strategy]

in vancover they found covid completely missed the down town eastside where all the drug addicts hang out, some of the worst realestate in north america

Pfft.

6 maybe 7 Ogdens at most!

[ill-advised strategy]

Welcome to the new reality folks. Don't get hurt, ER's won't be able to help you and ambulance's won't be there to scrape you off the street.

Sigh.
Dood. Shit. Vibes.

Sobering, after having just gotten excited about putting snow tires on my homemade moped to commute on snow/ice.

I hate this!

I want to hug people again. I want to be thoughtless and reckless and absentminded again....without it hurting anyone else.

[old goat]

Wisconsin’s maximum security prison shutting down due to 120 guards with Covid. Murderers and rapists being transferred to less secure facilities.


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Even the father rapers?

Here in Mass. daily cases have been falling steadily for about 10 days and are at about 60% of the recent peak number but the positive testing percentage has been going up. I'm wondering how those two facts go together. Perhaps cases aren't being reported? Or maybe the testing is better and is simply catching a higher percentage of a shrinking number? How would you see this?

As others have said--not enough testing

While I despise how the term "herd immunity" has been thrown around during this pandemic, you do have to wonder- at what point do the 8.3 million+ people who've recovered from the virus start playing a role? Sure as hell ain't going to stop the flow, but at some point it will grow to a large-enough that it'll start impacting transmission rates.

Natural herd immunity? A few million deaths from now

[MontuckyFried]

You were pretty all-in on this at the time: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...-yrc100220.php

It doesn't rise to the level of microchipping, pizzagate or 5G, but let's not forget that Steve Bannon was the one pushing that story.

I certainly brought it up. Not going to deny that. Stories like that are certainly worth looking into IMO. However, once I realized there wasn't much substance to it and some of you guys made some good points to the contrary, I dropped it and haven't pushed it any further.

[Toadman]

Hey everybody look at me. I can be an a hole IRL too. What I read.

Once had an ER nurse who used to work in one of the non-ER jobs say to me, " 90% of the ER patients are aholes, 10% are angels."

[MontuckyFried]

JFC this is embarrassing to read. Did you speak to the ER manager? You haven’t given much detail but I’m guessing they didn’t “get shit done” because your wife needed it in a timely fashion - they did it because they did the math and figured it would prevent further bullshit behavior (“go full Karen on those mofos”) from the husband. It seems like you’re proud though. Hope your wife is ok.

You must not be familiar with Bozeman Deaconess (now "Bozeman Health"). They are notoriously terrible. I'll spare you the gory details but I'll just say that night they were mostly empty, plenty staffed up, yet we got ignored for like an hour, for what we learned later was a no shit emergency with a very high fatality rate if not treated immediately.

There's an old local joke that goes something like if you need to go the ER in the Bozeman area, just keeeeeep on driving until you get to Billings. They have quite the reputation.

[bodywhomper]

Even the father rapers?

Are they from the “Group W Bench?”

[XXX-er]

Natural herd immunity? A few million deaths from now

I have heard of people catching Covid twice so I don't think people develop herd immunity with Covid,

I think we are waiting for a vaccine

[old goat]

I have heard of people catching Covid twice so I don't think people develop herd immunity with Covid,

I think we are waiting for a vaccine

The number seems to be very small. There was a good article in the spin doctoring thread, which seems to have disappeared (the thread). Basically in a large group --I think in the thousands--no recurrence within the 6m study period. The article was more complicated than that but that was the gist.

[rideit]

I think there have only been a handful of documented cases of dual infection in many millions of cases, but I’m not sure?
Any of you know these figures?

EDIT: OG Beat me to it.

[bennymac]

You must not be familiar with Bozeman Deaconess (now "Bozeman Health"). They are notoriously terrible. I'll spare you the gory details but I'll just say that night they were mostly empty, plenty staffed up, yet we got ignored for like an hour, for what we learned later was a no shit emergency with a very high fatality rate if not treated immediately.

There's an old local joke that goes something like if you need to go the ER in the Bozeman area, just keeeeeep on driving until you get to Billings. They have quite the reputation.

A lot of things that turn out to be emergencies don’t present that way at first. Not saying that was your situation though - you don’t have to go into details - but lots of serious medical situations can start out with not so serious symptoms - and in those cases those patients will likely be triaged to an area to wait their turn.

The 99% of those patients who end up not having something serious won’t have a story to tell. The 1% who did have a serious condition in the end will scream “hey! I waited an hour and it was something bad this is bullshit!”

But what you’re describing (a not busy ER and concerning “‘my wife is gonna die” symptoms) is a different story. If the staff are busy taking breaks and watching youtube videos you have a right to be mad.

Just keep in mind - patients and family members getting inappropriately angry to move themselves up the triage is part of what leaves elderly family members like DJ’s being stuck in the parking lot awaiting care (again to be clear I’m not saying this is what *you* did in your situation)

[Meadow Skipper]

I have heard of people catching Covid twice so I don't think people develop herd immunity with Covid,

I think we are waiting for a vaccine

Herd immunity didn’t seem to work for polio or smallpox.

[jono]

It's been in this thread already, but in case OG's trying not to bump the thread on the Great Ignore list, here's that study:

https://www.research.ox.ac.uk/Articl...ast-six-months

During the study, 89 of 11,052 staff without antibodies developed a new infection with symptoms. None of the 1246 staff with antibodies developed a symptomatic infection. Staff with antibodies were also less likely to test positive for COVID-19 without symptoms, 76 staff without antibodies tested positive compared to just 3 with antibodies. The three healthcare workers with antibodies who tested positive for the virus that causes COVID-19 were all well and did not develop symptoms of COVID-19 again.

[summit]

Sustained Herd Immunity NEVER emerges in large interacting populations through acquired immunity solely via recovery from natural infection. Period. Only vaccines do that.

[seano732]

Sustained Herd Immunity NEVER emerges in large interacting populations through acquired immunity solely via recovery from natural infection. Period. Only vaccines do that.

Ima listen to Summit on this one....

[bodywhomper]

https://podcast.app/the-next-three-s...m_medium=share

Worth the listen. Slavitt interview of Ashish Jha, Dean of Brown School of Public Health, discussing expectations of life in the US over the next year.

[gretch6364]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...tm_medium=mweb

We all need a good laugh sometimes.

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[ill-advised strategy]

Omg dude that’s so awesome

[Bunion 2020]

As if we didn't have enough to worry about.

What are the chances that a nation state or bad actor type tries to fuck with the vaccine roll outs?

Sleep well.

[ntblanks]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...tm_medium=mweb

We all need a good laugh sometimes.

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fuck yah!

[east or bust]

So now we’re up to 7 or 8 people in our office out with COVID. NICE