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01-16-2022, 05:05 PM #38751
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01-16-2022, 06:07 PM #38752
I understand that you wouldn't be concerned about the money compared to the health risks. But imagine there was a small population of people in this country who were very concerned with "moral hazard." The idea that protecting people from their choices would modify those choices. Imagine that this population felt so strongly about this that they opposed all forms of social safety nets. This group might just think a little differently. (I can give examples if needed.)
What do we get as a society from paying for the hospital bills of the unvaccinated? Because it's doing net damage to them and us. Bankrupting a few would be a kindness to others. Leaving them to rot and die with substandard care is just an act of cold civil war and no one considers it seriously.
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01-16-2022, 06:30 PM #38753
Trying to insert any logic into the decision making by some about Covid will make you crazy.
IMO, the financial part of the HS system are so screwed up that paying for care won't have any substantial costs for you or me to bear.A few people feel the rain. Most people just get wet.
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01-16-2022, 06:35 PM #38754Registered User
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I absolutely think we have a moral obligation to treat every patient to the best we are able when we have enough resources just like I think we are morally obligated to feed, clothe and house all humans when the resources are available.
When a shortage exists, things change. I absolutely think it would be ok to move or downgrade the care an unvaccinated patient is receiving to provide care for the vaccinated.
Its a clear, easy choice. Get the shot or dont, but its wrong for the anyi vaxxers to eat up all the resources.
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01-16-2022, 06:40 PM #38755
Of course it is. But they've been telling us for years that if we give out free health care people will take it, to the detriment of all. Now they're living (and dying) by that statement and somehow the concrete reality of it still hasn't sunk in: they know it to be true because they are the people who will take advantage.
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01-16-2022, 07:47 PM #38756
No.
Imagine that America had universal health care. A health system established so that all didn't have to worry about medical bills if they got sick. A country where the doctor to tens of millions isn't the ER. Which it is, you know, upper middle class TGR bros. A country that doesn't bankrupt cancer victims.
Fuck your moral hazard. You know what's immoral? Capitalists profiting from sickness. That's about as immoral as it gets, outside of war crimes.
Two fucking years into this thing, and not one politician from either side has said, hey, maybe we should have a health system more like EVERY ADVANCED COUNTRY IN THE WESTERN WORLD. Nope. We're coming out of the other side stuck with the same perverse profit driven health care that forces millions to avoid care until it's too late. That is fucked up.
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01-16-2022, 07:56 PM #38757
I get it. You hope the world is different than it is. That these people are better than they are. Hope is the first step to disappointment. Expectation is second and entitlement is last.
Go ahead and hope they're better than they know they are. Better than they're telling you they are. They get to keep their delusions, why shouldn't you?
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01-16-2022, 08:53 PM #38758
Dude who preaches benefits of universal healthcare bitches about having to wear masks and prove vax status to go ski in Italy.. Pretty rich.. That tells me dude thinks he shouldn't have to help pay for said universal healthcare..
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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01-16-2022, 09:03 PM #38759
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01-16-2022, 10:29 PM #38760... jfost is really ignorant, he often just needs simple facts laid out for him...
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01-17-2022, 05:53 AM #38761
I ain't stuck in nothing. I've been skiing this season. How about you? I've been to NHL games and medium venue concerts.. How about you? You're just bitching about not getting to go to Italy when you've got the whole world right in front of you. Who's the pussie??
Beyond it? According to the folks here working in hospitals we're not beyond jack shit yet. We're not beyond masks and entertainment/sports/nonessential event shutdowns until the hospitals are back to normal. Until then it's touch and go. We've got Hamilton tickets in late May but have every expectation that if shit blows up worse again we won't whine like a little child if that doesn't pan out. Waited 2 years for one of the concerts to finally happen. Worth it to save a couple lives..Last edited by SumJongGuy; 01-17-2022 at 07:00 AM.
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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01-17-2022, 06:13 AM #38762
Strong work. My sentiments exactly. This country is circling the drain
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01-17-2022, 06:48 AM #38763
Benny opined
not one politician from either side has said, hey, maybe we should have a health system more like EVERY ADVANCED COUNTRY IN THE WESTERN WORLDKnow of a pair of Fischer Ranger 107Ti 189s (new or used) for sale? PM me.
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01-17-2022, 07:06 AM #38764
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01-17-2022, 07:16 AM #38765
Fun fakt:
Benny drinks his piss
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01-17-2022, 07:18 AM #38766
At this point we are beyond masks. It’s not because masks don’t work it’s because people don’t wear them. It’s because we never really had real lockdowns or enforced mask requirements. Really when you go out in public and half or more of the people won’t mask, what’s the point? What’s the point for the majority of mask wearers if they can’t wear them properly? Go to a restaurant and you have to mask and in some cases prove vaccination, but only to enter or exit and when you order or use the restroom. We’ve failed at even the most basic measures of mitigation because of selfishness and lack of discipline.
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01-17-2022, 07:28 AM #38767
There is no we.
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01-17-2022, 07:31 AM #38768
Eggzactlly
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01-17-2022, 07:55 AM #38769
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01-17-2022, 07:56 AM #38770
Liam Nissan thinks the main difference between US and Japan is masks? What about Japan being one of the least obese countries on earth, highest life expectancy, healthiest diets, most educated, and best universal healthcare? Japan ranks among the best in all of those categories. Japan has been one of the least locked down nations during the pandemic. Schools have remained opened, as have restaurants at full capacity.
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01-17-2022, 08:10 AM #38771Registered User
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01-17-2022, 08:14 AM #38772Registered User
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Glad you are finally coming around.
Following your same line of thought, a good article to read is the secret COVID outbreak the Milwaukee Bucs hid during their run to win the NBA finals.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...unmpo-1259277/
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01-17-2022, 08:18 AM #38773
One or two Democrats. Bernie, of course , and maybe a few other wacky progressives you and many others love to ridicule for their "socialist" ideas. Meanwhile the Democrats in power, like Pelosi and Schumer are busy fund raising and insider trading. Big pharma and hospital corporations own them. And, have you heard a peep from the President on this?
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01-17-2022, 08:23 AM #38774
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01-17-2022, 08:31 AM #38775
Excellent point. Limit travel and mask. Japanese culture holds up discipline as a virtue, we laugh when people talk about discipline.
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