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05-02-2020, 10:10 AM #16376
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05-02-2020, 10:29 AM #16379Registered User
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05-02-2020, 10:31 AM #16380
Exactly, since there is no single source of infection, or one bacteria on a plate. The larger the population the greater the (potential) numbers of sources, hence sneezing on a petri dish. The difference comes from how it was handled from day one. Good public health reduces R0 and therefore the number of cases per capita declines showing a good response. Cases per capita show response better then total number of cases because it allows comparisons across different sized populations. A million cases in a population of a million is a tad different then a million cases in a population of a billion.
As for how this was handled, I still say Italy did a poor job compared to SK, judging by the numbers. Obviously it is not as simple as one number can show and there are a myriad of factors to consider about over all response. It is just that everybody is focused on that one graph, which I don't think is a very helpful one. I fully agree the federal US response has been a complete joke, and would be much, much worse if there weren't a couple of adults in the situation room, but many of the state responses have been reasonably good, which makes the over all US response tolerable.
I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...iscariot
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05-02-2020, 10:39 AM #16381Registered User
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05-02-2020, 10:41 AM #16382
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05-02-2020, 10:41 AM #16383Registered User
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05-02-2020, 10:41 AM #16384
Maybe everyone ends up at the same place anyway but this is what the U.S. looks like vs the World as of May 1st:
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05-02-2020, 10:42 AM #16385
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05-02-2020, 10:47 AM #16386Registered User
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I will say that this is actually pretty rational behavior in a country with essentially no social safety net. People are losing jobs, houses, can't pay rent, etc. The risk of getting COVID and being sick for a few weeks probably looks good in comparison to living on the street with no job.
Many peoples options are extremely limited in this situation.
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05-02-2020, 10:48 AM #16387
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05-02-2020, 10:58 AM #16388Registered User
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05-02-2020, 11:04 AM #16389
The discussion I've seen of the contact tracing in the media seems to imply that GPS in addition to Bluetooth would be used to determines one's location and proximity to others.
I could see it becoming required to enter certain businesses or buildings. Like the app generates a random QR code that is scanned on entry. Kind of like how places scan people's temp but now your phone is scanned instead. Seems better than having to get close enough to scan someone's temp.
Would people opt in to the contact tracing app if it were a condition of entry to place like Walmart, Safeway, or an office building?
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05-02-2020, 11:19 AM #16390Bunny Don't Surf
Have you seen a one armed man around here?
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05-02-2020, 11:27 AM #16391Registered User
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05-02-2020, 11:41 AM #16392
My wife runs a nonprofit that does financial counseling, debt managment, basically helping lower income people try to survive financially. She told me something like 60% of the country has less than $500 in the bank. What do you suppose the overlap is between the newly laid off folks due to COVID and that 60%?
This COVID thing is like the example you'd make up if you were trying to illustrate to a child why a social safety net was a good idea.
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05-02-2020, 11:49 AM #16393Blue lives don't matter anymore
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05-02-2020, 11:50 AM #16394
The FOMO skiing (or not skiing) a high consequence line analogy is too simple... unless you include the successful group that skied the line are gathering their things at the bottom of the line, and one triggers a big slide from below (trigger point) of the line just skied, the slide takes out most (but not all of the group), some ride it out fine, some are mildly injured, some injured and permanently disabled, some die, and the slide takes out a group of bystanders further down the slope with similar results as the skiing party.
Those people that we see around town hanging out and doing their thing, if the virus is lurking around, they may be showing symptoms in 1-3 weeks from now, they may be fine and still doing their thing, or they may be asymptomatic and still doing their thing.
I see the slow roll of reopening things in a rational way (eg California), as a partial stall tactic to getting ducks in a row with more testing locations and establishing contract tracing procedures, being slow to open to be responsive to population that get impatient and start doing stupid things (like group sex after visiting an illicit bar), being slow to open to see how the testing and contract tracing systems work and not overwhelm hospitals, and allowing for an adjustment in society to the new norm, like being comfortable around on the streets in greater #s but wearing masks.
I hope that makes sense. I suck at writing on my phone.
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05-02-2020, 12:08 PM #16395
brevity is the soul of wit. I think KQ got that I was smellin what she was cookin.
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05-02-2020, 12:09 PM #16396
Thanks everyone for the responses. I was going to try multi-quote but so many of you chimed in with such great stuff that I can't get it all in or at least my sinus headache won't let me focus enough to do it right.
Yes - FOMO is something and that was a very good ski analogy.
Yes - I think of all the deaths in Europe and the east coast and what gets me the most are the descriptions of feeling like you're drowning. Ugh... ugh.. ugh... sends shivers down my spine.
Yeah, maybe it won't kill me but I sure as hell don't want to get that sick for that long. And here's another thing - what of the cost? Some of these people who recover come out of the hospital after 11 weeks. 11 weeks! My 1.5 days in the hospital for diverticulitis last year was 40K. I just can't imagine what 11 weeks of intensive care costs. Even with insurance people are going to be bankrupt. Why isn't the news covering this? Maybe it would make some of the people who refuse to SAH or wear masks think twice.
And speaking of masks - I read an article that Mike DeWine governor of Ohio was the smartest politician in the country because he backed down from making masks mandatory in public when people pushed back. Really? Who's the adult here? What is so inconvenient about wearing a mask when you are around others? It's not 24/7 when your at home, in bed, in the car etc. etc. Just put it on. DKNY, Tommy Hilfiger and TNF need to get on making designer masks that people can coordinate with their outfits. Why I bet if Kim Kardashian started making them they would take off like wildfire.“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
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05-02-2020, 12:11 PM #16397“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
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05-02-2020, 12:14 PM #16398Registered User
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I duno where people in my town are getting masks but you can't buy them, otoh its not a busy place so pretty easy to distance ... distance & wash hands
otoh we got toilet paperLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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05-02-2020, 12:15 PM #16399
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05-02-2020, 12:17 PM #16400
You might look on FB. Most areas have community pages. You could also check with the Chamber and web pages of your local News stations.
Around here the local quilting and sewing shops are making them for sale (we have a shop called "Sew & Vac" where you can buy them. Their stores in other cities are also making them). I got mine from a friend who is a quilter.
You can also buy some on Amazon.“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
Kindness is a bridge between all people
Dunkin’ Donuts Worker Dances With Customer Who Has Autism
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