Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[cat in january]

No ambulance drivers available here and winds were howling so no helicopters flying. Older friend (80) had AAA and needed emergency surgery at larger hospital so doctor drove the ambulance two hours one way. There are heroes during these times

[bagtagley]

Starting to see COVID infections among close friends, folks that have been really careful through all this. And the big one last night, my old man has it, which is kind of nuts because he literally doesn’t leave the house.

More positives in the first week of school than all of last semester combined. The kids that sit on either side of my youngest are out for quarantine due to positive tests. Feeling like our number is up at this point. I get that “everyone is going to get it” is a bit hyperbolic, but from where I’m sitting, it sure as hell looks like a lot of people are going to get it.

[ticketchecker]

I know at least 15 people who have it or had it recently, a year ago that number might have been 1 or 2


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[TBS]

^^^ CDC and Fauci have been saying for a while that Omicron is so contagious that everybody will soon either get sick or be immune thru vax. Report I saw yesterday sez maybe the peak is occurring now.

[::: :::]

Omicron has closed classrooms for 1 in 3 Portland area students, upending kids’ and working parents’ lives https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2022...nts-lives.html

[old goat]

A nice piece in the NYT arguing that CDC and FDA have been using a medical standard (first do no harm, only the welfare of the individual patient matters) when they should be using an epidemiological standard (the greatest good for the greatest number). I have felt this all along. Piece was written by an MD.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/14/o...d-america.html

[Adolf Allerbush]

They say body bags and refrigerated truck trailers are the "let:s go Brandon" of the left.😜

Fify

[SumJongGuy]

I think many have reached the DGAF point where the thinking is "well most if us are vaccinated and those who aren't had their chance so we're going to get back to living our lives a little more".

What do I mean by that? Look at the college bowl game playoffs and national championship game.. The payoff games were two giant stadiums filled with 100K fans, students, players, staff, trainers,etc. Only the some of the trainers and a handful of fans were wearing masks. So, the two winning teams there have approx 10 more days to prepare for the championship game. College kids off a huge historic school win having the best time of their lives...

Anyone else think it's odd that following those playoff game events and leading up to the championship we don't hear about a SINGLE player, coach, trainer, etc testing positive on either of those two final teams??? Nobody was unable to make the championship game due to COVID?? There no way in hell they were testing anyone if NOBODY tested positive all though the days and minutes between the playoff games Dec 31st and kickoff January 10th.

Why isn't anyone even asking if that seems strange??

Now, first hand up close experience. Daughter is a high school senior active in her theater department. They are being very careful, wearing masks at all times in rehearsals leading up to their big performances next weekend.. They all took PCR tests last weekend because a few tested positive the previous week. But, not nearly as much scrutiny as the performance dates get closer.. Hoping ignorance is bliss? If people go out of their way to test and some of those come back positive a literal showstopper. Instead they seem OK with pressing on without knowing for sure everyone's status hoping the vaccines (all documented as fully bosted) will be good enough to just roll on. If others outside of their group aren't vaxxed?? Oh well??

I'm sure some may have COVID exposure in their home or other circles this week. but nobody's going out of their way to get tested without being formally asked to test at this point. All these kids are thinking.. "I'm not going to be the one to go get tested and shut the whole thing down unless I'm absolutely certain I'm sick and spreading it". Again all wearing KN95 masks they feel that's good enough now..

Anybody else getting that vibe from their kids' schools, work, bridge club, etc??

[Rideski]

Follow the money

[wooley12]

My antivax boomer snowbirds are below the Mason Dixon Line continue to party hearty. I know a few had Omicron but wouldn't admit it. I never knew anyone personally who had or admitted to having Delta. Seems half of my extended clan either have it now or had it post vax.

[SumJongGuy]

Follow the money

Indeed! I paid big booster cash to that theater department and have tickets to both Friday and Saturday performances next week. They'd better not cancel it. KIDDING.. This is a lot easier to postone and reschedule than the National Championship game. Can you imagine all the ticket money and hospitality industry shitshow if they tried to halt it over a dozen asymptomatic or mildly sick but positive players? That's probably the reality though that no way all 400 + of those folks (just remembered scout teams too) were 100% COVID free LOL!

Now if there are ZERO positive COVID players or staff the week before The Superbowl?? Anybody going to wager on the odds of that happening or being true but covered up and they play anyway?

[bodywhomper]

With rapid testing, are people swabbing the back of their throats and their nose?

[SumJongGuy]

With rapid testing, are people swabbing the back of their throats and their nose?

Depends on the results they are looking for..

[XXX-er]

It looks like Omicron is more contagious so more people will get omicron but its suposedly its less deadly,

but people are still dying so because more people get it will the death totals be a wash ?

it seems like when the news mentions how many people died the figures havent changed at all

Worldometer death total for USA is already up to 872k, once it got past 800k the figures seems to be climbing much faster?

[bodywhomper]

With rapid testing, are people swabbing the back of their throats and their nose?

Depends on the results they are looking for..

Personally, I want to know if I’m having typical allergies for the current wx pattern or have covid. I’m working my first responder job at the ski hill tomorrow.

[old goat]

The "Ler's go Brandon" of the intelligent is "What a Moron". Thinking about making up some T shirts, but should I spell it Moran instead?

[SumJongGuy]

The "Ler's go Brandon" of the intelligent is "What a Moron". Thinking about making up some T shirts, but should I spell it Moran instead?

[SumJongGuy]

Personally, I want to know if I’m having typical allergies for the current wx pattern or have covid. I’m working my first responder job at the ski hill tomorrow.

Oh apologies, I though you were commenting on my post about folks NOT wanting to know. Honestly, nothing official but ya folks are thinking that throat is better to detect omicron,, wonder if anything official will change about that.

[PB]

Welcome to 10 years ago?

<bunny with pancake hat>

[Benny Profane]

I think many have reached the DGAF point where the thinking is "well most if us are vaccinated and those who aren't had their chance so we're going to get back to living our lives a little more".

What do I mean by that? Look at the college bowl game playoffs and national championship game.. The payoff games were two giant stadiums filled with 100K fans, students, players, staff, trainers,etc. Only the some of the trainers and a handful of fans were wearing masks. So, the two winning teams there have approx 10 more days to prepare for the championship game. College kids off a huge historic school win having the best time of their lives...

Anyone else think it's odd that following those playoff game events and leading up to the championship we don't hear about a SINGLE player, coach, trainer, etc testing positive on either of those two final teams??? Nobody was unable to make the championship game due to COVID?? There no way in hell they were testing anyone if NOBODY tested positive all though the days and minutes between the playoff games Dec 31st and kickoff January 10th.

Why isn't anyone even asking if that seems strange??

Now, first hand up close experience. Daughter is a high school senior active in her theater department. They are being very careful, wearing masks at all times in rehearsals leading up to their big performances next weekend.. They all took PCR tests last weekend because a few tested positive the previous week. But, not nearly as much scrutiny as the performance dates get closer.. Hoping ignorance is bliss? If people go out of their way to test and some of those come back positive a literal showstopper. Instead they seem OK with pressing on without knowing for sure everyone's status hoping the vaccines (all documented as fully bosted) will be good enough to just roll on. If others outside of their group aren't vaxxed?? Oh well??

I'm sure some may have COVID exposure in their home or other circles this week. but nobody's going out of their way to get tested without being formally asked to test at this point. All these kids are thinking.. "I'm not going to be the one to go get tested and shut the whole thing down unless I'm absolutely certain I'm sick and spreading it". Again all wearing KN95 masks they feel that's good enough now..

Anybody else getting that vibe from their kids' schools, work, bridge club, etc??

Let's briñg it closer to home. Just spent five days at Mammoth. Three unmasked crowded bars for happy hour (so absurd to have to enter and exit with a mask on) and nobody masking on the gondola. This thing is over, like it or not.

[MakersTeleMark]

SJG, is covid the only thing that you think about? Don't you have kids, or a wife to go down on?

Jesus christ you are pathetic.

[jono]

A nice piece in the NYT arguing that CDC and FDA have been using a medical standard (first do no harm, only the welfare of the individual patient matters) when they should be using an epidemiological standard (the greatest good for the greatest number). I have felt this all along. Piece was written by an MD.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/14/o...d-america.html

Good article. I think that premise applies very widely. The evidence for first shots first was another example: not super strong at first, but what there was clearly favored the Canadian approach. Yet the US approach was called "following the science" because the familiar part of the (many applicable) sciences favored an approach that felt conservative when measured against normal background risk--which didn't exist.

Similarly, there's a standing fear of paying people to take a vaccine or "volunteer" to participate in a test. But per the author: "People need to be persuaded or incentivized to vaccinate to protect others." So why not compensate them for acting to help society at some small but non-zero risk to themselves?* It would be cheaper to buy vaccinated-person-days directly than keep paying hospital bills.

*obviously the risks are smaller to get vaccinated than not at the moment, but plenty of people are convinced otherwise even for COVID, see: Joe Rogan etc.

[teletech]

I have an honest question here. Omnicron spreads just as easily, vaccinated or not. ThatÂ’s basically a fact (IÂ’m pretty sure delta did too, as IÂ’ve mentioned here before but not pertinent) Older people and unhealthy people greatly benefitted from the Vaccine. Kids and young healthy people the jury is still out. The big reason for the young demographic To get vaccinated was to stop the spread ie not give it to grandma. Remember everybody gets tested for covid at the hospital, so a 10 yr old that breaks his arm and is hospitalized and tests positive is a covid hospitalization. So of course there a higher number of kids hospitalized as covid is surging. The life stages of a corona virus start deadly and each version gets more contagious and less deadly. The question is if omnicron is end of the deadly part of the pandemic (it will always be around like the flu)and everybody is getting it, will we keep vaxxing and boosting? Or it wonÂ’t really matter because we have reached herd immunity through infection? Just like the Spanish flu. I just wonder if people will be able to go back to normal living

[LongShortLong]

Overview of Covid hospitalization, current. Hope no one needs this info.

This doc runs a continuing education business. Some of his videos are targeted to other docs. Some, like this one, are understandable by mere mortals.

[2FUNKY]

SJG, is covid the only thing that you think about? Don't you have kids, or a wife to go down on?

Jesus christ you are pathetic.

It’s sad really. I feel really bad for his wife and kids. This kind of fear is super unhealthy. Perpetrating this onto his wife, let alone his kid should be considered abuse.