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  1. #35226
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    Man, Iím probably going to owe Hott Butt Mud an apology if this keeps going this way with vaccinated people wearing masks outside.

    I donít give a shit if they want to wear a mask or a not, but giving vaccinated people a hard time about not masking outside is crazy.

    Iím also perfectly happy to wear a mask to grocery shop or whatever if they business owner wants me to wear it for my 15 mins on their store.

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    Wait, so I can’t spread it or catch it and still I’m supposed to put this shit on my face to indulge the feelings of people who don’t comprehend that?

    All the crazy conspiracy assholes who said this would never end were right.
    Jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    Wait, so I can’t spread it or catch it and still I’m supposed to put this shit on my face to indulge the feelings of people who don’t comprehend that?

    All the crazy conspiracy assholes who said this would never end were right.
    Jesus
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    But, you can still catch it or spread it. Chance is very small but there it is…
    See NY Yankees - 8 guys who were vaxxed all tested positive last week.
    Us vaxxed peeps can unknowingly harbor it in our nasal passages and spew it on the unvaxxed.
    SUPERSPREADERS
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    But, you can still catch it or spread it. Chance is very small but there it isÖ
    See NY Yankees - 8 guys who were vaxxed all tested positive last week.
    Us vaxxed peeps can unknowingly harbor it in our nasal passages and spew it on the unvaxxed.
    SUPERSPREADERS
    SUPER SPREADERS, is that a porno or a band name?


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  7. #35232
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    Who had "advent of porno-bands" for May's unexpected upside?

    Just a little late, though--coulda been the perfect lockdown solution for streamng concerts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    SUPER SPREADERS, is that a porno or a band name?


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    As long as they aren’t spreading fromunda cheese.
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    Amazing this has to be explained at this point/smh

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    Forum Cross Pollinator

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    Texas is gone no mask but still got some holdouts requiring and some that just took the signs down, got people wearing face diapers and nothing at same spots, makes it hard to say who are still the serious mask people and who just dint get the no mask memo.
    TGR forums cannot handle SkiCougar !

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Thanks for posting that, it closed a loop for me. More than a year ago I was trying to help my wife's employer figure out how to deal with this in a dental office (what to do about ultrasonic scalers etc.) and ran across that damn 5-micron assumption in a dental paper about splatter and aerosols from 1970.

    As that story illustrates, the tools that were available to predict/measure/model particle motion in that size range 50-75+ years ago were just totally inadequate. I had assumed that 5 microns was just a bad guess (in two respects--the more important one being that there is no critical particle size that air can't blow around and keep it aloft). Very cool to see the real answer.

    Since about 2000 or so we've used computational fluid dynamics software to model stuff like this--my experience with that was very large combustors, but even there it's obvious that 5 microns is not a critical size at which particles start to fall. I'm no expert, far from it--there are a lot of people who know this more specifically than I do. The issue is clearly bigger than this one topic: the problem is the knowledge silos and the insularity of expertise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Great article. Medicine is full of "facts' the origins of which are lost in time, And medicine loves orthodoxy--after all, we don't want doctors acting on whatever cockamamy idea takes root in their heads, we want them to follow the "standard of care". No doubt the aerosol theory will become the new orthodoxy, until it doesn't work with the next pandemic. Science isn't a steady march of progress. It advances by fits and starts, error and correction. The scientific method isn't about being right all the time, it's about fixing it when you're wrong.

    Fortunately, the general medical and public health community was advocating masks many months before the CDC and WHO acknowledged aerosol spread.

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    Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

    Didnít the CDC just publicly recognize aerosol spread like a week or two ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Great link. I should read Wired more often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiCougar View Post
    Texas is gone no mask but still got some holdouts requiring and some that just took the signs down, got people wearing face diapers and nothing at same spots, makes it hard to say who are still the serious mask people and who just dint get the no mask memo.
    Or neither. If the business has the sign or a significant percentage of folk are masked up, I wear the mask because it costs me nothing to complete my errand with a mask on.

    In my state, state OSHA guidelines still havenít changed. Going to make for some interesting conflicts with staffing until that gets resolved.
    focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustonen View Post
    Or neither. If the business has the sign or a significant percentage of folk are masked up, I wear the mask because it costs me nothing to complete my errand with a mask on.

    In my state, state OSHA guidelines still haven’t changed. Going to make for some interesting conflicts with staffing until that gets resolved.
    only inbred a moronic cunt calls it a "face diaper", like SC
    unless he's that buttercup wearing it on his chin, which now makes sense
    it's floors me when dumb cunts still have a problem with a piece of cloth over their face

    MAGA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Great article. Medicine is full of "facts' the origins of which are lost in time, And medicine loves orthodoxy--after all, we don't want doctors acting on whatever cockamamy idea takes root in their heads, we want them to follow the "standard of care". No doubt the aerosol theory will become the new orthodoxy, until it doesn't work with the next pandemic. Science isn't a steady march of progress. It advances by fits and starts, error and correction. The scientific method isn't about being right all the time, it's about fixing it when you're wrong.

    Fortunately, the general medical and public health community was advocating masks many months before the CDC and WHO acknowledged aerosol spread.
    The juxtaposition of how to improve scientific understanding and the fields/technologies that apply it next to the fires of partisanship. Perhaps Godwin's law is the new orthodoxy?

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    Anyone else notice the sudden shift in anti-mask rhetoric? For the last year the CDC couldn't be trusted, now anyone still requiring masking is "against science." So predictable, yet still amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    Anyone else notice the sudden shift in anti-mask rhetoric? For the last year the CDC couldn't be trusted, now anyone still requiring masking is "against science." So predictable, yet still amazing.
    I was wearing a mask last January when my coworker from Wuhan told me what was going on and I did a little math. Now I've got one of the most effective vaccines ever invented coursing through my veins and the math has swung the other way. At this point driving to the store is far more dangerous than walking around it without a mask. Even the CDC agrees and they are a notoriously risk adverse institution. According to them I've never once cooked my eggs or steak enough and almost every person I know has a drinking problem.

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    It might have been friendly for the CDC to leak that they were considering lifting the mask recommendation a few days before actually doing so. Give states, cities, counties, and corporations a heads up so they could be ready. Rather than drop it on a fucking Friday so weíre guaranteed a weekend of conflict and confusion while everybody chases their tails.
    focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    Wait, so I canít spread it or catch it and still Iím supposed to put this shit on my face to indulge the feelings of people who donít comprehend that?

    All the crazy conspiracy assholes who said this would never end were right.
    Jesus
    Because it's their establishment, and for all you know, they have an immune compromised employee whom they value, and who is uncomfortable about this. It starts with science, by but goes beyond that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoooR View Post
    I was wearing a mask last January when my coworker from Wuhan told me what was going on and I did a little math. Now I've got one of the most effective vaccines ever invented coursing through my veins and the math has swung the other way. At this point driving to the store is far more dangerous than walking around it without a mask. Even the CDC agrees and they are a notoriously risk adverse institution. According to them I've never once cooked my eggs or steak enough and almost every person I know has a drinking problem.
    That's great. Not everyone is vaccinated, though. I got my first shot as soon as I was eligible and I get my second shot Tuesday. I'd really rather not be around a lot of people who all of a sudden think masks aren't needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustonen View Post
    It might have been friendly for the CDC to leak that they were considering lifting the mask recommendation a few days before actually doing so. Give states, cities, counties, and corporations a heads up so they could be ready. Rather than drop it on a fucking Friday so weíre guaranteed a weekend of conflict and confusion while everybody chases their tails.
    Exactly. I was in a few airports Friday and the hastily-prepared statements coming over the loudspeakers clearly reflected a lack of preparation--and air travel probably had it the easiest because people were relatively prepared for the rules when they made the reservations.

    It's going to be a high bar, but CDC needs to make it a goal not to be featured in SNL's cold open.
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    with wrong ideas that appeal to you, though I am not unkind."

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