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10-20-2020, 09:01 AM #28551
Deaths per cases depends partly on the population driving cases. A younger population was driving cases over the last few months but if an older population (or Jesus) takes the wheel again the likelihood is deaths per cases goes back up.
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10-20-2020, 09:18 AM #28552
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10-20-2020, 09:26 AM #28553
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10-20-2020, 09:34 AM #28554
Brits are starting vaccine challenge trials
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...bec_story.html
The first phase of the trial will be giving different doses of virus to young, healthy, on-vaccinated quarantined volunteers to identify the minimum viral load needed to cause infection.
The second phase will test different vaccines. This part will start in late spring--presumably after there are already vaccines already in use.
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10-20-2020, 09:45 AM #28555Registered User
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I'm confused and starting to get violently pissed over the rampant herd immunity idiocy. Can any one actually point to a good example of HI controlling a life threatening disease? Isn't the fact that no such thing occurred with small pox, measles, etc the very reason we stumbled on the miracle of vaccines in the first place????
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10-20-2020, 09:47 AM #28556
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10-20-2020, 09:49 AM #28557Registered User
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10-20-2020, 09:54 AM #28558
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10-20-2020, 09:55 AM #28559
It's been stated many times that herd immunity has never been achieved without a vaccine, but unfortunately there's a qualifier that gets left off: it's never happened once a disease was endemic. Diseases with minimal spread can die out very easily. R0 shrank to 0 for SARS thanks largely to societal precautions coming before it had a chance to reach any of the real idiots. And that's just the sort of miracle said idiots think will happen for them with zero societal shift.
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10-20-2020, 10:13 AM #28560
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10-20-2020, 10:28 AM #28561
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10-20-2020, 10:29 AM #28562
This will sound bad, but the real problem is that people aren’t dying. We’re better at caring for COVID cases and keeping them alive. We have a few people that have been on a ventilator for weeks now and are getting trachs because they’ve been intubated too long. It’s more of a burden than if they just died. The general public only understands death and can’t grasp that caring for these COVID cases is harder on everyone. It really is a Catch-22 with our under educated ignorant population.
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10-20-2020, 10:31 AM #28563Registered User
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This might be an okay strategy if it came with a coordinated federal response, clear communication, reasonable precautions like social distancing and masking, PPE fitting and distribution and economic support to the vulnerable, etc.
Instead we have an uncoordinated shitshow.
I don't see all of these herd immunity touting people setting up superspreader events so they can guinea pig this idea. I'm mean, unless you count the Whitehouse.
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10-20-2020, 10:35 AM #28564
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10-20-2020, 10:41 AM #28565
Totally disagree. The worldwide number is 1.1 million dead. 1.1 fucking million people. Today. What's that number in 12 months? 2 million? We need a bigger number to incite action? Key-rist! The real problem is that people can't think compassionately about their (global and local) neighbors because we're always looking out for number one.
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10-20-2020, 10:58 AM #28566Registered User
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10-20-2020, 11:02 AM #28567
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10-20-2020, 11:04 AM #28568
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10-20-2020, 11:05 AM #28569
Isn't there some truth that coronaviruses and influenzas currently in circulation likely started out much more deadly and with time, became less deadly? In other words, while these viruses were not eliminated from earth, they did become tolerable by doing absolutely nothing?
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10-20-2020, 11:06 AM #28570
I totally agree with you, but the vast majority of people are too selfish and ignorant to understand that deaths aren’t the only metric that matters. I constantly hear, even from coworkers, that it’s not that bad because deaths aren’t too bad. Meanwhile we’re doing a trach on a patient that’s been intubated for 15 days because of a raging COVID infection. It’s bad and will get worse.
Everything that was predicted about this pandemic has come true. Spikes after relaxing restrictions and large gatherings, a resurgence in the fall, etc.
We’re too myopic and selfish to see this though.
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10-20-2020, 11:08 AM #28571
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10-20-2020, 11:09 AM #28572
Isn't it? If R0 falls below 1 and the disease dies out then for that herd at that time the level of immunity was adequate. The point being, R0 changes based on many factors and the idiots keep acting like individual immunity is the only one that matters when in reality it might be the least important. It certainly should be the least important, because of all the factors it's the one that comes with the biggest downsides.
At the extreme, of course, a disease with a miniscule spread might actually have nothing whatsoever to do with individual immunity numbers, but even SARS probably wasn't that small. In the context of COVID-19 individual immunity will obviously play some role, so herd immunity can be defined as R0<1. Given that, any covidiot that thinks herd immunity is best achieved by maximizing R0 has already spent too much time practicing doublethink.
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10-20-2020, 11:10 AM #28573
Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey
Even coughing into your elbow and washing your hands are a form of mitigation(isolation). Influenzas aren’t less deadly we are just better at treating the sickness they cause.
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10-20-2020, 11:13 AM #28574
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10-20-2020, 11:14 AM #28575
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