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05-16-2020, 12:24 PM #18326
We must re-open the beaches!
So the great white shark has been killed?
No, but it only eats the slow swimmers!
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05-16-2020, 12:24 PM #18327
We do that every year during the flu season. It is being done now , some places effectively other places not so much, in long term care facilities. It is very difficult and of course the more prevalent it is in the general population the harder it is to keep the segregated safe. I am doing the grocery shopping for an older couple on our road as a way to lower their risk.
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05-16-2020, 12:28 PM #18328
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05-16-2020, 12:30 PM #18329Rod9301
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05-16-2020, 12:33 PM #18330Banned
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Even if we were to agree that the 60+ crowd is doing important work in society, I don't see what your point is. Why should the 60+ crowd being unable to do their "important work" impact whether younger people should be allowed to their important work?
On it's own it's a serious matter. Doesn't need to be linked. It appears to be on the rise but thankfully there is therapy.
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05-16-2020, 12:34 PM #18331Rod9301
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05-16-2020, 12:35 PM #18332
People like to envision that the “elderly and those with chronic disease” that are at high risk from covid are all 90+year olds with dementia bed-bound in a full care home having their life extended with no actual quality of life.
But something like 45% of Americans have a chronic illness - and I’m not talking about those just over 60 or 70 years old.
And now think about the average age of government officials - whether municipal, state, or federal. Are they approaching 60? Shit just look at Trump, Biden, Pelosi, McConnell, Sanders, Pence, etc
How old are the administrators of your schools? How old are the doctors teaching at medical schools? How old are the people that are high up in the unions? All the institutional knowledge in fields like engineering and law etc.
Now tell me how do you isolate this large percentage of the population (all the over 60 plus and the 45% with chronic illness) and simultaneously open things back up to normal functioning society?
I’d like answers from the tools on here that post every week “what about Sweden!” (Without reading a word about what Sweden has actually done) and those parroting “it’s just a flu bro”
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05-16-2020, 12:35 PM #18333
At the end of a lot of the PBS news hours they do profiles of some of the victims who have died. Obviously they are cherry picking--no profiles of people who were in a nursing home with dementia unable to speak or recognize family in years--but plenty people dying who are functioning members of society and certain beloved by family and friends. They are not throwaway people.
The premise of stay at home was to give enough time for PPE to be stockpiled, ventilators manufactured, get testing ramped up, let essential private businesses and essential government services time to establish safe workplaces, and get a good start on a vaccine. The first 4 haven't happened, due to the abject failure of the federal government to mobilize the resources of the country on a war footing. The citizenry have done their part by staying home. People are becoming restless because they do not see the government and industry keeping their part of the bargain. If we are getting no closer to adequate protective gear and especially testing, what is the point in staying home?
Unless we somehow manage to get a good vaccine quickly, which is unlikely, staying home will have turned out to be in vain, because it is only prolonging the agony.
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05-16-2020, 12:36 PM #18334Banned
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How about we just do what we are doing now? Doesn't seem that hard. Almost every older person has at least one younger friend or family member that they can count on to help deliver food to them. And if not, there is certain to be members of their local community willing to help out.
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05-16-2020, 12:46 PM #18335Banned
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Obviously there is no perfect solution, but the average retirement age in the US is 62. We aren't talking about a big percentage of the population that are still working important jobs here. Much of the work in the examples you give can still be done from home.
What is your solution? Lockdown everyone for 1 year + and pray for a working vaccine?
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05-16-2020, 12:47 PM #18336Banned
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05-16-2020, 12:49 PM #18337
Seriously - next time any of you go out and do what limited shopping you can take a look at those who are working. The people checking you out at HD, the person driving public transportation and if we were in non-pandemic times, people taking your ticket to an event, school bus drivers, mail carriers etc. etc.
It's like we think were a county full of beautiful young people getting things done.“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
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05-16-2020, 01:08 PM #18338
Is what we're doing now working? Didn't somebody here post a bunch of charts and then argue it's mostly elderly and health compromised who are affected so we should end whatever it is we're doing?
The point being nearly every country, even Sweden, explicitly stated their plan was to protect the vulnerable but it didn't work unless they also slowed the spread in the population at large. It's one thing to hand wave and say all it takes is outside help, it's another thing for it to actually work.
It's also worth mentioning that a lot of older people, irrespective of retirement age, work to make ends meet. Older folks also vote in large numbers...
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05-16-2020, 01:11 PM #18339
I don’t have a solution - but it’s not my job nor my area of expertise to come up with one. I just know, even though I’m not an expert, that’s it’s not so simple as the gun toting protestors and people crying out for the nail salons to open claim it to be.
I can tell that you know it’s not that simple either so I’m not lumping you in with them.
But if we want to imagine a solution then the ideas you are suggesting could definitely be a part of it. But let’s not gloss over the 45% of Americans with a chronic disease - that number is not limited to the retired members of society. With obesity rates being what they are in North America I bet most people are diagnosed with these chronic illnesses in their 40s.
I don’t hear people shouting “full 100% lockdown until a vaccine! Stay in your homes!” Nobody appears to be suggesting this.
Lots of people seem to be shouting “protect the oldsters in homes but otherwise FREEdom to party anywhere and everywhere”.
The solution is gonna be somewhere in the middle, it’s gonna take experts to design it (and not overweight mouth breathers with bazookas wearing custom XXL tactical clothing), it’s gonna need to evolve with time (tightening restrictions in geographic areas when needed) and its got to be accepted and appreciated that we have gotten to the point of being able to enact a plan like this *because* of experts like Dr Fauci and not because a bunch of idiots stormed their government offices demanding freedom from tyranny (aka I’m a survivalist but I still need haircuts and chicken wings every 4 weeks or I’ll fall apart)
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05-16-2020, 01:16 PM #18340
Freedom is wearing a mask. It opens up more things.
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05-16-2020, 01:21 PM #18341
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05-16-2020, 01:24 PM #18342“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
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05-16-2020, 01:25 PM #18343Banned
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05-16-2020, 01:29 PM #18344
Karen Exhibit #2. People are starting to fucking lose it:
https://twitter.com/jharper818/statu...379951618?s=21What we have here is an intelligence failure. You may be familiar with staring directly at that when shaving. .
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05-16-2020, 01:33 PM #18345“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
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05-16-2020, 01:35 PM #18346Banned
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I'm not glossing over the 45% of Americans with chronic disease. If you are under 60 and vulnerable to the virus then you are free to stay home as well. I posted these previously, but Netherlands, Spain, and France all have higher deaths per capita than the US, so we should expect the US numbers to be lower than these, and they all show the virus to be "just the flu" if you are under ~60.
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05-16-2020, 01:39 PM #18347
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05-16-2020, 01:50 PM #18348
For the 100th time - death is not the only metric that needs to be considered. Ask yourself why a healthy 35 year old nurse or doctor is wearing a space suit to see a covid patient but wouldn’t if it was the regular flu.
Any answer that involves prior immunity to the flu - or any mention of “we have a flu vaccine! (but it doesn’t work well)” - does not, as people on here seem to hope, support the “covid is just like the flu if you’re under 60!” mantra - it actually runs counter to your argument that we can treat these in similar fashions.
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05-16-2020, 02:10 PM #18349
Our county with no few confirmed cases in a few weeks has reduced restrictions on businesses, and restaurants are actively recruiting outsiders to come and visit to“dine-in” (ie indoors). It’s a beautiful day. Lots of people walking around town. I saw plenty of kids that I know that have not physically seen each other walking around together ( no masks). I went to the hippy food coop. The coop is doing a lot of try to keep its employees and customers safe, but less than half of the customers were wearing masks and maybe a quarter of the customers were children with their parents.
at least it’s a warm and sunny day... lots of young hippy youth dressed appropriately... so there’s that.
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05-16-2020, 02:16 PM #18350“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
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