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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    We don’t want people dying but the “Pollyannaish” focus on declining death rate is wishful thinking in the fight against this disease. What’s really taxing the healthcare system is treating people with COVID for long periods in the hospital. Our system is stretched thin and it’s affecting our ability to effectively treat patients with other problems and it’s draining our resources both providers, supplies and financially.


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    I am not a conspiracy theorists, I go nowhere without a mask, have avoided crowds of any kind since mid March. Costco is as adventuresome as we have been. See our kids and granddaughter outside only and keep our distance.

    No idea what hospital capabilities are elsewhere but WI is certainly not being stretched and NYU said they were not having any issues. WI has not really seen a reduction in cases, very steady for the last eight weeks. Masks mandated indoors but everything including health clubs, salons etc are open with capacity limits. WI has 11,500 hospital beds, today 275 have Covid 19 patients in them with 95 being in ICU, 25 % / 2875 beds are empty.
    Since mid June the number hospitalized has been as low as 187 (July 23) and as high as 414 (August 10) but even the highest number did not put a strain on our capacity. Last seven days the number hospitalized was 291, 268, 287, 290, 293, 280, 275, that's pretty steady. In June the total death rate was about 2.5%, it is now 1.4%. We are probably infecting younger people which is resulting in fewer cases and deaths.

    University of UT did a small sampling and found that transmission between family members was much lower than expected which falls in line with some studies elsewhere. Now if we could just accurately identify who the super spreaders are...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdude2468 View Post
    I am not a conspiracy theorists, I go nowhere without a mask, have avoided crowds of any kind since mid March. Costco is as adventuresome as we have been. See our kids and granddaughter outside only and keep our distance.

    No idea what hospital capabilities are elsewhere but WI is certainly not being stretched and NYU said they were not having any issues. WI has not really seen a reduction in cases, very steady for the last eight weeks. Masks mandated indoors but everything including health clubs, salons etc are open with capacity limits. WI has 11,500 hospital beds, today 275 have Covid 19 patients in them with 95 being in ICU, 25 % / 2875 beds are empty.
    Since mid June the number hospitalized has been as low as 187 (July 23) and as high as 414 (August 10) but even the highest number did not put a strain on our capacity. Last seven days the number hospitalized was 291, 268, 287, 290, 293, 280, 275, that's pretty steady. In June the total death rate was about 2.5%, it is now 1.4%. We are probably infecting younger people which is resulting in fewer cases and deaths.

    University of UT did a small sampling and found that transmission between family members was much lower than expected which falls in line with some studies elsewhere. Now if we could just accurately identify who the super spreaders are...
    Well I work in a hospital and it’s been a difficult time working in patients for surgical or medical problems with issues testing for COVID and beds filling up with critical and non critical COVID patients. Caring for the COVID patients uses more resources than normal. There are drug shortages, ppe shortages and providers stretched to their limits. This isn’t isolated to our area but carry on thinking things aren’t that bad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdude2468 View Post
    CEO / President / Director or whatever he is called of NYU Hospital last week said the death rate at their facility has dropped by 75% due primarily to how they are treating the disease. Not sure why we should see the virus return to the older demographic group unless we are stupid again and stop isolating them. In WI 72% of all deaths have been 70+ and 87% are 60+. No one under 20 and 23 deaths under 40. State totals is 1168
    Isolate how? The older people who are dying are often nursing home and Latino and Black people living in multigeneration households who cannot be isolated. Even older people living alone or as couples cannot be totally isolated. For example--this is an age group with other medical problems which require doctor visits and hospitalizations. Or all these folks just throwaway people? Meanwhile Covid 19 has killed at least 50,000 people of working age (18-65) in the US and that is with some restrictions in place everywhere, and with most people avoiding travel, restaurants, and gatherings and wearing masks and distancing when they have to be out.

    What little success we have had in controlling the virus came from shutting down most of the economy, with massive bailouts . We no longer seem to be willing to stomach more massive debt and spending. Evictions and foreclosures cannot be delayed indefinitely. My guess is that after the end of the year more people will be living on the street, in shelters, crammed into houses and apartments with relatives, too desperate for income to stay home when sick.

    Meanwhile, despite the rising death toll restrictions continue to be lifted. It is clear that control of the pandemic by behavioral modification is getting more hopeless by the day. The US is bettting everything on a vaccine. This virus is not going away. Even China is seeing clusters pop up. These are dealt with by extreme contact tracing and isolating people who test positive in govt. facilities, completely alone. Not something Americans will tolerate.

    Americans do not have the mental toughness and attention span to deal with this pandemic. Just because we have lost interest doesn't mean it's any less dangerous. And voting Trump out of office won't make it go away. All hope rests with the scientists.

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    Putin wins, our general public is liberally peppered with angry misinformation-fueled idiots rushing headlong into their own demise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Isolate how? The older people who are dying are often nursing home and Latino and Black people living in multigeneration households who cannot be isolated. Even older people living alone or as couples cannot be totally isolated. For example--this is an age group with other medical problems which require doctor visits and hospitalizations. Or all these folks just throwaway people? Meanwhile Covid 19 has killed at least 50,000 people of working age (18-65) in the US and that is with some restrictions in place everywhere, and with most people avoiding travel, restaurants, and gatherings and wearing masks and distancing when they have to be out.

    What little success we have had in controlling the virus came from shutting down most of the economy, with massive bailouts . We no longer seem to be willing to stomach more massive debt and spending. Evictions and foreclosures cannot be delayed indefinitely. My guess is that after the end of the year more people will be living on the street, in shelters, crammed into houses and apartments with relatives, too desperate for income to stay home when sick.

    Meanwhile, despite the rising death toll restrictions continue to be lifted. It is clear that control of the pandemic by behavioral modification is getting more hopeless by the day. The US is bettting everything on a vaccine. This virus is not going away. Even China is seeing clusters pop up. These are dealt with by extreme contact tracing and isolating people who test positive in govt. facilities, completely alone. Not something Americans will tolerate.

    Americans do not have the mental toughness and attention span to deal with this pandemic. Just because we have lost interest doesn't mean it's any less dangerous. And voting Trump out of office won't make it go away. All hope rests with the scientists.
    Isolate like jail? I mean, prisoners are 5.5x more likely to catch it than the rest of us, so maybe that's where we'll achieve herd infection?

    You're right it won't go away just because Trump does, but I'm not sure it's possible to overstate the impact the constant stream of stupid nonsense coming at us from the WH has on our national mental health and stamina, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Isolate like jail? I mean, prisoners are 5.5x more likely to catch it than the rest of us, so maybe that's where we'll achieve herd infection?

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    The Chinese "jails" (that's a fair description) filled with other people who are also infected. Provided with food--presumably with minimal contact. For 2 weeks. As opposed to our jails where people get infected, the Chinese facilities are for people already infected so not at further risk of infection. We do the same thing on a very limited basis--isolating infected homeless people and others in hotels and motels with supportive services.

    Jails are an appropriate place for people who are an immediate threat to the rest of society. One might argue that people infected with SARS-CV2 are that. As opposed to most of the people in our jails, who are not.

    Note the stories of some HCW's in the US who voluntarily isolate themselves from their families, sleeping in hotels or even in their cars.

    Most of us in the US have no idea what really isolating people means and would have no tolerance if someone tried to impose it on us, even for 10 days or 2 weeks. (I think the latest data suggests 10 days from positive test or onset of symptoms is enough.) Maybe if the facility had free porn we'd go along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post

    Americans do not have the mental toughness and attention span to deal with this pandemic. Just because we have lost interest doesn't mean it's any less dangerous. And voting Trump out of office won't make it go away. All hope rests with the scientists.

    This.

    And the fact that a LOT of Americans are all about self instead of being selfless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post


    Putin wins, our general public is liberally peppered with angry misinformation-fueled idiots rushing headlong into their own demise.
    ^^ those surfer dudes are awesome


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    All things considered from Friday on NRP discussed Sweden a little bit. It sounds like there’s some head scratching about why covid spread and death has dropped.
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    Based solely on his last comments, business and last name I hope someone takes Von Thannen to the cleaners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Americans do not have the mental toughness and attention span to deal with this pandemic.
    So fucking true. I just finished rewatching Band of Brothers, the WWII drama that traces the 101st Airborne in Europe. I know it was a dramatization, but I couldn’t help but draw some parallels. It struck me hard how the soldiers and the entire country behind them endured lengthy hardship with a clear focus. It made me consider how pathetically the US would fare today under those circumstances. It’s apparent to me that we have fallen far. I guess a pandemic doesn’t have the urgency that a World War had, but I still think we’ve lost an incredible amount of toughness and focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper View Post
    So fucking true. I just finished rewatching Band of Brothers, the WWII drama that traces the 101st Airborne in Europe. I know it was a dramatization, but I couldn’t help but draw some parallels. It struck me hard how the soldiers and the entire country behind them endured lengthy hardship with a clear focus. It made me consider how pathetically the US would fare today under those circumstances. It’s apparent to me that we have fallen far. I guess a pandemic doesn’t have the urgency that a World War had, but I still think we’ve lost an incredible amount of toughness and focus.
    Not to mention we were coming out of a terrible depression. That was arguably harder than the war.


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    we are behaving just as we did during the 1918 pandemic

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdude2468 View Post
    Not sure why we should see the virus return to the older demographic group unless we are stupid again and stop isolating them.
    If the younger people continue to spread the disease eventually it's going to affect older people, too. They aren't all living in bubbles.

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    cases were trending down but I see a big spike coming to Clark county.
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    The students were caught violating COVID-19 distancing requirements; their $36,500 tuition for the semester will not be refunded.

    By Laura Krantz Globe Staff,Updated September 4, 2020, 5:02
    Northeastern University has dismissed 11 first-year students after they were caught violating social distancing rules, the school announced Friday, the latest and most aggressive attempt to prevent the pandemic from disrupting plans to return to Boston’s campuses this fall.

    The students were caught at the Westin Hotel, which is being used as a temporary dormitory this semester, on Wednesday night without masks and not social distancing, according to university spokeswoman Renata Nyul.

    The dismissed students will not be allowed to take courses from home this semester but will be permitted to return in the spring, Nyul said. They were part of a special one-semester program for freshmen that was prepaid and cost $36,500. That money will not be refunded.

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    Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

    193k per Worldometer today. Staggering. 200k approaching fast. That’s 67 9/11s and 50,000 Benghazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    193k per Worldometer today. Staggering. 200k approaching fast. That’s 67 9/11s and 50,000 Benghazis.
    Or 4 bad flu seasons.

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    In a row. And counting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Or 4 bad flu seasons.
    Or 100,000 OJ murders.

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    Or 200,000 people on a bicycle run over by a dump truck.

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    Three years of WWII KIA in 10 months.
    A few people feel the rain. Most people just get wet.

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    India has > 70,000 dead but only 51 dead per million pop cuz India is a country of 1.4 billion hence the super low per capita figure

    I predict India will put up some BIG numbers
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    Only if someone else does first. They'll need someone to steal the data from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zartagen View Post
    Just put an empty bowl out to begin with and pretend the first kids took it all.
    That's kinda genius.

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