Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Benny Profane]

Sorry, buffs and bandanas suck.

Wearing a neck gaiter may be worse than no mask at all, researchers find
By Allyson Chiu

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...9a6_story.html

"In a recently published study, the researchers unveiled a simple method to evaluate the effectiveness of various types of masks, analyzing more than a dozen different facial coverings ranging from hospital-grade N95 respirators to bandanas. Of the 14 masks and other coverings tested, the study found that some easily accessible cotton cloth masks are about as effective as standard surgical masks, while popular alternatives such as neck gaiters may be worse than not wearing a mask at all.

“You can really see the mask is doing something,” said one of the study’s co-authors, Warren S. Warren, a professor of physics, chemistry, radiology and biomedical engineering at Duke. “There’s a lot of controversy and people say, ‘Well, masks don’t do anything.’ Well, the answer is some don’t, but most do.”"

The study: https://advances.sciencemag.org/cont...v.abd3083.full

[old goat]

Are you saying we should take back our well-wishes, hashfan?

No, but people are assuming he has Covid 19, when he may or may not. Well-wishes are always in order.

[Charlie Don't Surf]

On the subject of long term effects, two studies out of Germany suggesting that COVID infection is leading to serious heart damage in the majority of cases irrespective of symptoms, age, or preexisting conditions.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/87758 and https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/...-heart-damage/
"[I]f this high rate of risk is confirmed, the pathologic basis for progressive left ventricular dysfunction is validated, and especially if longitudinal assessment reveals new-onset heart failure in the recovery phase of COVID-19, then the crisis of COVID-19 will not abate but will instead shift to a new de novo incidence of heart failure and other chronic cardiovascular complications,"

Really scary stuff

[Toadman]

5-10 years down the road, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of people on the transplant list for a heart or lungs from COVID.

[Benny Profane]

5-10 years down the road, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of people on the transplant list for a heart or lungs from COVID.

Seriously, some smart people are already trying to monetize this, in an already bleak situation with tens of millions of Boomers in their end game and tens of millions of younger Americans un or under insured.

[old goat]

Seriously, some smart people are already trying to monetize this, .

How?

[DBdude]

Thats fucking bullshit to wait 8 days for a test......Im public safety I got my results in 24 hours. An 8 day wait kinda defeats the purpose. Hang in there mang.

eight days does defeat the purpose in some ways

this is the great crime folly of the trump administration. the complete lack of interest in testing and tracing

[Benny Profane]

How?

Awful choice of word. They're trying to figure out how much this will all cost.

[jono]

Sorry, buffs and bandanas suck.

Wearing a neck gaiter may be worse than no mask at all, researchers find
By Allyson Chiu
.....
The study: https://advances.sciencemag.org/cont...v.abd3083.full

Already posted this a few pages ago, but that paper is a write up of a technique, not a real study of masks and materials (think of it as a sample of a study, maybe). The technique did not produce repeatable results within their own data for bandanas or fleece, and most likely the reason has to do with measurement technique. Thin materials that get moistened by your breath are going to expel more particles and their range of measurements (as indicated by the error bars) shows they did not get consistent results from those. Doesn't mean they're wrong, but that data is unreliable.

[bodywhomper]

^thanks for posting that breakdown.

NZ is back on lockdown for contact tracing from a community spread event. Note they currently expect 3 days of lockdown to trace and test. It’s as-if they’ve been preparing or something...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/world...cli/index.html

[funkendrenchman]

eight days does defeat the purpose in some ways

this is the great crime folly of the trump administration. the complete lack of interest in testing and tracing

You would think that someone that wants the most testing in the universe would be all in on quick tests....

[funkendrenchman]

As is if their music wasn't bad enough....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/enter...rnd/index.html

[Trashcan]

Thanks all! Got x-ray this mornand and just got results. Not pnumonia so who the fuck knows what I have.

[bodywhomper]

Thanks all! Got x-ray this mornand and just got results. Not pnumonia so who the fuck knows what I have.

Dang. At this point, the best hope is for recovery. It sounds like your doctors are well engaged with you. My suggestion is that you stay in close communication with them. Hopefully, they are calling you frequently until you turn the corner and are consistently showing improvement/recovery.

[Trashcan]

bout all I can do.

[The AD]

As is if their music wasn't bad enough....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/enter...rnd/index.html

Not the sharpest tools in the thread indeed.

[KQ]

Not the sharpest tools in the thread indeed.

Well.... maybe most of them are Trump supporters and getting Covid will help them understand it's real, that Trump has screwed the pooch and prove to others they need to stop mass gatherings until this thing is under control (and perhaps vote him out of office). Pie in the sky I know......

[KQ]

bout all I can do.

Q TC: How is your Dad? He's not caught this? If not probably does point to something else, no?

(though I imagine at this point knowing it was Covid would at least give you some closure)

[hutash]

No test is perfect. All have flaws of one sort or another, all have false positives and negatives. Always remember, treat the patient, not the paperwork.

While I am a huge believer in lab tests, used them throughout my entire career, we were taught to use them to confirm a diagnosis, not to make one. Seems like the kids coming out of medical schools these days rely to heavily on labs and not on their, eyes, ears and hands.


...and yeah, I am that old that they are kids because they are getting to be younger then my own kids year by year.

[old goat]

Awful choice of word. They're trying to figure out how much this will all cost.

Dang. At this point, the best hope is for recovery. It sounds like your doctors are well engaged with you. My suggestion is that you stay in close communication with them. Hopefully, they are calling you frequently until you turn the corner and are consistently showing improvement/recovery.

Xray nl, labs nl, very good news even if it doesn't help you feel better. Hope that part isn't far behind.

[Trashcan]

Yeah ride it out at this point.
KQ , dad is feeling fine other than occasional cough but that is probably allergies. We seperated for 14 days so hopefully he is fine.

[muted]

No, but people are assuming he has Covid 19, when he may or may not. Well-wishes are always in order.

I was kidding, kidding.

[Rideski]

Flashman?

[bodywhomper]

Yeah ride it out at this point.
KQ , dad is feeling fine other than occasional cough but that is probably allergies. We seperated for 14 days so hopefully he is fine.

I had pretty bad viral bronchitis about 14 years ago, along with a handful of coworkers. It sucked. Knocked me on my ass for over a month. It sucked. Daily communication proactively from the primary care giver (an NP) to check status. My wife and infant never caught it. Slept every night in the same room with them and help with my baby and household stuff as best as I could.

[riser4]

I am pretty sure I had pertussis in 2011. But never got tested. 3.5 month cough.