Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[glademaster]

A Democrat would have held up the checks so his/her name could be on those checks?

That was yet another ego-maniacal move by the orange shit gibbon, no doubt about it. However, I would be curious to know how many people are receiving an actual check in the mail versus direct deposit.

[jono]

Shut the fuck up already

That would bave been more succinct. I'll try to remember to use that in the future. Thanks for your input!

[old goat]

I do think the "let's get back to work" crowd has a useful purpose. The government needs to know how the electorate is dealing with this crisis. I think left to their own devices government has a tendency to be slow and cautious. Now maybe that's a good thing in this situation, but some nudging is also justified.

Except that polls show that most people support keeping stay at orders in place. The protesters are a minority, but a visible and newsworthy one. Maybe the people who support stay at home should hold their own rallies. Oh wait.

[Buster Highmen]

Since I don't have the ability to read minds and I trust what you are saying, I am merely pointing out this country is having it's "let them eat cake" moment. Whether or not the protests manifest peoples intentions correctly, in fact, many more are sitting home just scared as hell, I am going to have some sympathy for the silent Americans who I can deduce are probably suffering.
Many of the posts here smack of elitism because you just can't understand working a tech job and having money how someone could be so "stupid" to want to risk their lives. Throw in Trump as some gasoline and it's an us vs them situation yet again.
Just a sad situation.

Agree it's a very sad situation, but our whole political atmosphere is a sad situation. But I don't think most of the people here criticizing the protesters do so in a smug or elitist way.

I do think it's obvious that the current administration is trying to further manipulate the electorate in exceedingly immoral ways. That's the crime and they are the Marie Antoinettes of the time.

[jono]

Even no stock buybacks is really only hurting shareholders.

Uhhh...you think the owners of companies that have been irresponsible should be protected from the outcome of those actions?

[The AD]

Except that polls show that most people support keeping stay at orders in place. The protesters are a minority, but a visible and newsworthy one. Maybe the people who support stay at home should hold their own rallies. Oh wait.

But the government needs to be aware that dissent is on the rise and people probably aren't going to tolerate staying at home for a whole lot longer.

It's probably also worth noting that I'm sure there were plenty of people who attempted to protest in a safe manner. Staying in their cars or otherwise socially distancing, wearing masks, etc. but these aren't the kinds of people the media is going to focus on. The guys on the steps of the capitol in Lansing holding rifles make for a much more interesting photo.

[jono]

exceedingly immoral ways. That's the crime and they are the Marie Antoinettes of the time.

Ivanka's weekend getaway (because Trump's golf course is a safer place to shelter than her home, which is just too big to control) should have been that moment. In any normal news cycle.

[TNKen]

I was listening to Sirius Radio's physician channel that these days is devoted solely to COVID discussions.

They had a nurse practitioner as a segment host living in NYC. She reached out to a PhD nurse practitioner and an RN for her discussion segments, all of whom lived and worked in NYC. Both were bright. Unfortunately she did not appear to be. At one point, she was discussing the fact that she had only a mild case of COVID 19, and only needed Tylenol as her medication.

While still symptomatic, she decided she needed to "go out" to Target for a few things. Started bitching about the guys in line behind her who were not social distancing and making fun of her when she called them out. Her fucking response was, "I'll bet they didn't know they were standing next to a person with COVID."

Un-fucking believable. Someone in the health care profession, dealing with COVID patients, and makes this decision. No wonder NYC is infested, with both COVID and idiots.

[ncskier]

Uhhh...you think the owners of companies that have been irresponsible should be protected from the outcome of those actions?

I mean no stock buybacks hurts me long term. not the dumb fucks who didn't "save" money for their company. I am a plebe, but the C suite of boeing will still find a way to have "retreats" in sun valley and jackson hole all on the corporate dime.

[Danno]

That may be but you're delusional if you think a democratic administration would have handled the distribution of assistance any better.

The initial response to the virus is a different matter.

all true. The initial response would have been much different, and the messaging would have been much different, but the distribution of aid would probably be just as fucked.

Different messaging would make a hudge difference here, because we're all in this together and staying at home is collective action for the greater good, for all of us, but that is completely lost on the protestors because that isn't the messaging they are getting with the stupid "LIBERATE" tweets.

[jono]

Un-fucking believable. Someone in the health care profession, dealing with COVID patients, and makes this decision. No wonder NYC is infested, with both COVID and idiots.

The expert halo is strong. Last time I rode a lift with anyone but my wife we were sitting next to a nurse friend who was telling us how unconcerned she was "because I'm a nurse." We waved from a safe distance and rode by ourselves the rest of the day.

[ColMan]

That was yet another ego-maniacal move by the orange shit gibbon, no doubt about it. However, I would be curious to know how many people are receiving an actual check in the mail versus direct deposit.

Sounds like 171M qualified. 80M were sent direct deposit. So 91M signed by Cheetolini.

[jono]

I mean no stock buybacks hurts me long term. not the dumb fucks who didn't "save" money for their company. I am a plebe, but the C suite of boeing will still find a way to have "retreats" in sun valley and jackson hole all on the corporate dime.

Oh I fully agree. And golden parachutes should be invalidated any time the shareholders get wiped out, but the shareholders are the ones allowing those contracts in the first place.

[Benny Profane]

Ivanka's weekend getaway (because Trump's golf course is a safer place to shelter than her home, which is just too big to control) should have been that moment. In any normal news cycle.

No genius, it was Nancy Pelosi showing off her expensive ice cream collection in her one of two 20,000 dollar refrigerator freezers.

[old goat]

Small business fund runs dry while much of the money went to big hotel and restaurant chains, not small businesses.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...s-program-dry/

Re the Feds seizing PPE https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...virus-supplies
The reporting on this seems to be 2 weeks old, so hard to know if it's still going on.

[Mazderati]

Shutdown protests definitely not politically motivated.

[dunfree]

But the government needs to be aware that dissent is on the rise and people probably aren't going to tolerate staying at home for a whole lot longer.

The best signal for discontent isn’t protesting ​its spending fucking money “Opening back up” doesn’t mean shit if nobody’s spending enough money for places to open.

[MultiVerse]

While still symptomatic, she decided she needed to "go out" to Target for a few things. Started bitching about the guys in line behind her who were not social distancing and making fun of her when she called them out. Her fucking response was, "I'll bet they didn't know they were standing next to a person with COVID."

I think the most effective way to manage COVID is for anyone with any symptoms, including just a fever, to self-quarantine. There are obvious issues like pre-or-asymptomatic carriers, lack of sick leave, or dumbasses, but just staying home slows the spread enough for the health care system to get by. Then social distancing, maybe masks too, makes lockdowns unnecessary. Unfortunately we'd rather beggar-our-neighbour than cooperate.

[Adolf Allerbush]

The best signal for discontent isn’t protesting ​its spending fucking money “Opening back up” doesn’t mean shit if nobody’s spending enough money for places to open.

I think it was Deeb in this thread pointing to Sweden's response as a road map for how to do things going forward. thing is, Swedes aren't going out and acting like it's business as usual, even though their economy is more or less "open for business". I read somewhere that movie attendance is down like 95% and going out to eat is down like 80%. Point being, sure we could open up here, but would most folks behave like the Swedes here? Stay home regardless?

[2bjenny]

[TNKen]

I think the most effective way to manage COVID is for anyone with any symptoms, including just a fever, to self-quarantine. There are obvious issues like pre-or-asymptomatic carriers, lack of sick leave, or dumbasses, but just staying home slows the spread enough for the health care system to get by. Then social distancing, maybe masks too, makes lockdowns unnecessary. Unfortunately we'd rather beggar-our-neighbour than cooperate.

Yep. So, dumb ass NP stands beside me, goes into a hacking fit and somehow I manage prove she infected me. I somehow manage to die.

What are the repercussions to her? Get sued by my survivors? Involuntary manslaughter? Lose her license to practice? Can I whip out my .44 Mag and dust her for assault with a deadly weapon?

Don't forget it is a crime to knowingly have unprotected intercourse with someone while infected with an STD or AIDS in most states. Why is this different?

[Rideski]

Nice @2bjenny

[huckbucket]

I've gotta say ...

I can usually visualize the path out of complex situations like these even if the outcome is negative. For CV19, I just can't wrap my head around all of the moving parts and uncertainly of their direction. Hurts my brain.

[The AD]

The best signal for discontent isn’t protesting ​its spending fucking money .

But how can you spend money on a business that's closed?

[The SnowShow]

Except that polls show that most people support keeping stay at orders in place. The protesters are a minority, but a visible and newsworthy one. Maybe the people who support stay at home should hold their own rallies. Oh wait.

The minority is visible but very small. The news is Denver reported the protest here was “hundreds and hundreds” of people. If you look at the videos, it’s more like 80 people. Just ignore these fucking idiots!