Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[jono]

Can’t ignore the fact that there is also a raging opioid epidemic at the same time as the Covid pandemic. So who knows the correlation, overdose deaths would of still increased without Covid, just hard to know how many extra people Overdosed because of Covid related issues.

Impossible to know.

Those kind of “studies” are stupid.


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You'd expect asspen to know that the fentanyl crisis is a Chinese op so it would make sense that they'd up that effort at the same time as the effort to make the US look stupid on COVID. But quislings gotta keep the blinders on.

[SumJongGuy]

At this point, with enough vaxxed and hospitals keeping up I'll gladly hold your beer while you refuse to get vaxxed or wear a mask around us vaxed but positive asymptomatic worker bees..

[AK47bp]

My wife got Covid couple days back.




I finally have an excuse to sleep in the spare bedroom, And. It. Is. Glorious!!




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[frorider]

Asssspen, https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...cy/6354415001/ explains why (using simple words at your level) Merriam-Webster and CDC updated their definitions of ‘vaccine’. If you’re still curious, PM Mofro and ask if these definitions are correct.

Excited to see what your next right wing talking point will be! And for the record, obviously I see some of the communication blunders CDC made.

[ötzi]

I had Covid in May. Is it more likely that I had Omicron or BA.5, or is that impossible to guess?

[Buster Highmen]

I had Covid in May. Is it more likely that I had Omicron or BA.5, or is that impossible to guess?

I think Omicron.

(I think I can hear Kid Creole saying that for some reason: "Why can't I be more like Omeecron...").

[Mofro261]

I had Covid in May. Is it more likely that I had Omicron or BA.5, or is that impossible to guess?

Back in May we all had either BA.2 or BA.2.12.1. BA.5 didn't take off until Mid-June. (But all are Omicron lineages)

For those curious, variant prevalence by week and by region in the USA:

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...nt-proportions

[SumJongGuy]

My wife got Covid couple days back.




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So you upped your porn hub sub?

[AK47bp]

So you upped your porn hub sub?

You kids these days and your slang.

Is that an Offspring line?


I’m hip




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[mcski]

Fly like a shot guy

[Cisco Kid]

Fair point.

Lets go with what we have been talking about for 1600 pages then, excess mortality.

I'm still here so whatever the number is I did my best to keep it 1 less. And who knows how many lives I've saved by masking up in the days before I got my post vax "24 hour" Covid?

[LongShortLong]

[Monster thread drift warning] The first step is admitting we have a problem, right? I see the absurdity of getting emotional about irrationality, but we're humans, so we can't rationally expect not to be emotional. At least that's how I rationalize it.

Now that you mention it I'm sure someone has worked on codifying techniques. Probably worth a search. I'm not an authority at all, but I'm happy to offer some rights for discussion.

Thanks for your thoughts. Some months ago I did a related search about deprogramming qanons. I found this reddit page with links and started working my way down, but didn't find anything that resonated and stopped.
https://old.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasual...urces#wiki_web

Maybe we didn't have to drift too far or too long

[jono]

Thanks for your thoughts. Some months ago I did a related search about deprogramming qanons. I found this reddit page with links and started working my way down, but didn't find anything that resonated and stopped.
https://old.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasual...urces#wiki_web

Maybe we didn't have to drift too far or too long

That's definitely more on-topic. I haven't tried to de-program anyone, so mostly coping these days, but I should reach out again to a few more and that link collection may help. Thanks!

I think for heavy apophenia addicts it may be easier for the plot to evolve than to scrap it. I have kept in closer contact with a couple of people that bought the big lie and most alt-right theories of disease and non-prevention. It's been easier to discuss some of this with at least one of them since Pootin showed his hand in February. (Prior to that Russian anti-wokism was an attractant that covered all sorts of stupidity even when q-isms were run to ground.) I've maintained for a while that American resistance to vaccines, masks and basically anything with a low cost/benefit ratio has been weaponized and encouraged by our enemies. Now that some geopolitical aims have been clarified its harder to deny the nefarious motivation for that propaganda.

I don't know anyone that's planning to exit the cult of anti-woke info stream yet, which is why I'm in coping mode: there's very little point in detailed discussion. Where once there was an intellectual back and forth, now it's just desperate rot. But at least there's some recognition that the feed has been compromised.

[riser4]

Who was that famous woman who sent her servant to get water from a certain source because she liked the taste? And it turned out the water was contaminated with human waste. That's my working analogy for the Qers and related ilk.

[Percy Rideout]

And for the record, obviously I see some of the communication blunders CDC made.

Thanks for proving my point. And i agree that science changes over time with new studies and discoveries.

"The science is settled." was the dumbest quote from a doctor i have ever heard well, ever.

[Rideski]

Bunch of local vaxxed people getting it now. Sucks.

[KQ]

Blerg. Mask up people!

Why the Omicron offshoot BA.5 is a big deal


What's at stake with continued spread

There are also more insidious health risks to consider. A recent preprint study that compared the health of people who'd been infected one or more times with Covid-19 found that the risk of new and sometimes lasting health problems rose with each subsequent infection, suggesting that reinfections are not necessarily benign.

Although vaccination reduces the risk of getting long Covid, a certain percentage of people have lasting symptoms after a breakthrough infection.

That's another reason why high numbers of Covid-19 cases are a big deal: Because the virus is still spreading wildly, it has every opportunity to mutate to make even fitter and more infectious versions of itself. It's doing this faster than we can change our vaccines, leaving us stuck in the Covid-rinse-repeat period of the pandemic.

On Tuesday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, pleaded with Americans to use all available tools to stop the spread of the virus, including masking, ventilation and social distancing.

"We need to keep the levels of virus to the lowest possible level, and that is our best defense. If a virus is not very robustly replicating and spreading, it gives it less of a chance of a mutation, which gives it less of a chance of the evolving of another variant," Fauci said in a news briefing.

In fact, this is already happening.

[Yonder_River]

That was concerning to me too when I first read it but then I also heard that study on multiple infections was from the VA which has an older and generally sicker group so the findings are limited at this point.

[KQ]

That was concerning to me too when I first read it but then I also heard that study on multiple infections was from the VA which has an older and generally sicker group so the findings are limited at this point.

You want to play Russian Roulette with your health?

Regardless of who the study group was/is the fact remains that we need to keep this virus from spreading and mutating or we are never going to get out of this cycle.

[skiJ]

respectfully, KQ, I do not believe we are going to get out of this cycle -
an article I read earlier this week promoting the Noravax vaccine claims 1/3 of the country remains defiantly Unvaccinated --

with the statistics claiming prior infection is increasingly Less protective against reinfection with the variant strains, welcome to the new normal -

> 700,000 confirmed new cases weekly,

More than 1500 deaths weekly
( the numbers I have seen weekly since March are between 250 and 350 daily )

almost 100,000 deaths annually...

But hey ! we have the freedom Not to protect ourselves, our family members, nor our neighbors --


Good luck !

' new normal ' skinJ

[The SnowShow]

respectfully, KQ, I do not believe we are going to get out of this cycle -
an article I read earlier this week promoting the Noravax vaccine claims 1/3 of the country remains defiantly Unvaccinated --

with the statistics claiming prior infection is increasingly Less protective against reinfection with the variant strains, welcome to the new normal -

> 700,000 confirmed new cases weekly,

More than 1500 deaths weekly
( the numbers I have seen weekly since March are between 250 and 350 daily )

almost 100,000 deaths annually...

But hey ! we have the freedom Not to protect ourselves, our family members, nor our neighbors --


Good luck !

' new normal ' skinJ

Agree. There’s no way enough people will go back to major life disruptions unless people are dying in the streets from a mutation.

[KQ]

When I was out and about today running errands I saw a lot more masks. Good to know people are thinking.

[SumJongGuy]

Wife was down and out for the count yesterday and today.. wicked migraine, light and sound sensitivity. She doesn't get migraines. I wore the KN95 mask everywhere around other people out and about today. If she's still sick we'll test tomorrow, would be day 3-4 of symptoms so hopefully the rapid test will catch it if it's COVID again...

I had some chills/night sweats last night. Yay! COVID!

[old goat]

Unless we are prepared to forcibly enforce a zero covid policy ala China govt mandates don't make much difference. In places with masking mandates, vaccination requirements, and restrictions and in places without any of these some people will be observing them and some people won't. Infection rates will be determined by people's individual behavior, education, economic status, health status, vaccination status, social norms in their communities, and whether or not they see people dying around them. I am masking more because my brother, his girlfriend, my niece, my son and DIL all have had covid in the last few weeks--all for the first time-- and more other people that I know as well. Right now the people I see wearing masks most often are young people working in stores and restaurants. It's one thing to be potentially exposed to a few people for minutes to an hour, it's another to be exposed to lots of people all day.

The shitshow at the airports will probably do more to slow infection than anything--and it won't be covid keeping people from flying.

[KQ]

I had some chills/night sweats last night. Yay! COVID!

Or maybe it's menopause