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  1. #22401
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    Quote Originally Posted by simple View Post
    So my company man friends aren't alone in having weeks and weeks of vacation and use a week at most for any real vacation? Crazy. You use vacation time to take care of a sick kid or school/sports event mostly right? This is adulthood and it sucks yup? Work hard play hard but not as hard as 10 years ago! Powder day paradise when it is scheduled.

    Foggy used to be like that and then he went AWOL grew a beard and dropped out. Lucky fucker.
    Yep. I'm definitely not senior level but work with them enough to know I have zero interest in moving further up without it being a "dream job" level position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SB View Post
    Having done lots of that back in my military days, let me tell you that being in full NBC gear in the Middle East in July suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. Hilarious pic. Really brought me back. Always thought that heat wearing that crap was gonna kill me more effectively than the enemy ever could with whatever they wanna toss my way. Haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happytimefunbox View Post
    with regards to sick time. The dilution of it as PTO really sucks. Business blows smoke about work life balance and supporting mental health but design policies that are counterintuitive to that goal. Anyone heard of taking a mental health day? Who the fuck is my employer to decide what is a valid reason for not being able to come to work? I struggle sometimes and had to flex the mental health days often over a short period of time a while back. It put me at odds with my companies punitive points based attendance policy and on the door of forced termination based on that policy. Had to have my doctor write a note then I had to jump through all the hoops for FMLA , while in the depth of the struggle, so that I would have a job left if I made it through. Its bullshit
    But that’s the best argument in favor of PTO, at least as I have always administered it. I care little - outside of a friendly/concerned interest in your wellbeing as a hooman - why you need a day off if it’s all PTO bank. I don’t need to categorize anything. We give you between 3 and 6 weeks of time off plus holidays. Use it when you want to, please don’t lose it, just make sure you don’t leave your team in a bind if you can help it. Any excuses you need to make about why you needed to take Monday off should be directed to the people who had to pull your weight for a day. If you’re good with them you’re good with me.
    focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simple View Post
    Yeah fuck that. I'm a higher up as well and I ruffle the corporate feathers often with my vacation protocol. No contact means no contact. I'll never be promoted to the top. I wouldn't have it any other way.
    I'm with you. I think some people bring it on themselves by staying connected while they are "on vacation." Just don't do it. It may be career limiting, but oh well. Unless you own your own business I just don't get it. Of course I am coming from the perspective of working for a massive corporation where I'm simply another cog in the giant wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    Having done lots of that back in my military days, let me tell you that being in full NBC gear in the Middle East in July suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. Hilarious pic. Really brought me back. Always thought that heat wearing that crap was gonna kill me more effectively than the enemy ever could with whatever they wanna toss my way. Haha.

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    I still have occasional nightmares about lying in a hasty fighting position, dehydrated as hell, trying to suck hot water through that fucking rubber straw-thing ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    I'm with you. I think some people bring it on themselves by staying connected while they are "on vacation." Just don't do it. It may be career limiting, but oh well. Unless you own your own business I just don't get it. Of course I am coming from the perspective of working for a massive corporation where I'm simply another cog in the giant wheel.
    I occasionally do it, but make it clear to my employees that my expectation is that they don't . If I check, I'll only respond to trusted contacts I know won't abuse it and emergencies (which effectively don't happen).

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    Appropriate that this is on reddit today


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    I learned a long time ago that it is all about whether the higher ups like you or not and not about how many sick/vacation days you take.
    Live Free or Die

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    if you never " leave anything in the dressing room "

    thats what they will expect all the time
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    https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...e60kDL8lpbbvjQ

    " The COVID-19 pandemic is testing the world – and humanity is failing because of a lack of leadership and unity, the head of the World Health Organization declared in a passionate speech Thursday. "
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by splat View Post
    This is good, but it's not from Pepys' diary. It's actually from someone on Twitter with the handle @Pepys_Diaries who tweets in the style of Pepys, but it's his/her own content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    This is good, but it's not from Pepys' diary. It's actually from someone on Twitter with the handle @Pepys_Diaries who tweets in the style of Pepys, but it's his/her own content.
    You're no fun.

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    Is this now the bitch about PTO thread?

    It's all about company culture, not whether it's call sick/vacation or PTO. You need a day, take a day. You schedule a vacation, schedule a vacation. It's all about if you're pulling your weight, if you're leaving your team in a hard spot or not and what you did to prepare for it. First one onto the calendar wins, vacation vs. deadlines.

    And always, always, always, tell your bosses your vacation spot won't have good connectivity. Don't take their calls, they can work with the people onsite directly and if they're worth a shit they'll respect that. Communicate with your peers/subordinates in emergencies only.

    Don't be afraid to show the company you're not their bitch. I actually like PTO because I rarely took more than one sick day a year, so now I bank 5 vacation days.
    I've concluded that DJSapp was never DJSapp, and Not DJSapp is also not DJSapp, so that means he's telling the truth now and he was lying before.

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    See, my take is a little different. It should not be my job to find someone to do my work when I am taking a day off or sick that is part of my contract. That's management's and the team lead's job. Tell me who and I'll happily do turnover, in advance if it's a planned day. And boo-fucking-hoo to them for not having adequate head count to absorb contractually obligated time off.

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    Can we get back to Covid?

    26 Mississippi legislators test positive for COVID-19 after outbreak tied to state Capitol

    "The uptick in infections follows a month in which many legislators worked in the Capitol without following health guidelines recommending the use of face masks. Legislators convened in late June to advance an ultimately successful proposal to remove a Confederate symbol from the state flag."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    I learned a long time ago that it is all about whether the higher ups like you or not and not about how many sick/vacation days you take.
    This - and once you get to the point that they don't appreciate your efforts any more, it's time to move on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    This is good, but it's not from Pepys' diary. It's actually from someone on Twitter with the handle @Pepys_Diaries who tweets in the style of Pepys, but it's his/her own content.
    I liked this one...

    Up betimes and by tube to Westminster, and there busy with several business all morning, for our firm intends a splendid show at the conference in the middle of this month. Then comes the intern to my office like a doting fool, and proves himself an ass talking excitedly of this plague come late out of China, which, he says, is now in Italy. Of which, my wife and I having had no Wi-Fi this last month, I know nothing, only to see how vexed this blockhead intern was did almost make me fearful myself. Yet I remembered talking with my Lord and Lady touching this matter, and him very skeptical, and my lady said to me, ‘What, Mr Pepys – shall’t die of a hiccough at the last?’ And at this jest we were all very merry. Thence home to sing with my wife in the garden, but with much trouble, for it was bitterly cold. And so to bed, our iPhones left downstairs as is now our custom.
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    And there will come a day when our ancestors look back...........

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    Looping back
    It’s about sick days (or PTO) when under quarantine or isolation or needing to work if COVID+ or how one (and their family) can afford to live if covid+ and sick enough to not be able to work for a long period of time. What if your PTO is use it or lose it, do you bank it in case you get super sick?

    I have read that some teachers will be able to have “quarantine” days that will not count against sick days.

    All this shit sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    See, my take is a little different. It should not be my job to find someone to do my work when I am taking a day off or sick that is part of my contract. That's management's and the team lead's job. Tell me who and I'll happily do turnover, in advance if it's a planned day. And boo-fucking-hoo to them for not having adequate head count to absorb contractually obligated time off.
    Your perspective is different and has nothing to do with what you call your paid time out of the office.

    The point is, we need to find ways to adjust our culture so that we don’t penalize people who stay home when they’re sick. Some companies are better than others, here. You don’t fix this with mandatory sick time. You might fix it with legislation and FLSA policy similar to that which is currently used to combat discrimination.
    focus.

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    Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey


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    I live in Germany but am American. We get minimum 24 days of vacation a year. Sick time is not included, that is 60 days paid by employer and the government steps in after that. Ya, I pay a lot of taxes, but in times like this I know why. I’ve been furloughed since mid March and drawing 60%. Goes to 80% next month.
    We need to start taking people back in the states

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    This is good, but it's not from Pepys' diary. It's actually from someone on Twitter with the handle @Pepys_Diaries who tweets in the style of Pepys, but it's his/her own content.
    he certainly speaks to great length of the plague and pox throughout his diaries but yeah.. does not appear to be in there. Still.... it's not all that far off from his writings.
    When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis


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    It is so hard to enact some realistic (socialist! Ah run away!) universal care laws in the US. As is so obvious these days the differences in the States and the vast expanse of the country coast to coast creates tribalism. Just the way that the country was developed by expansions created divides. We are not unified and the blown out of proportion perception of what our taxes get used for gives the feds the ability to keep us in the dark about how easy it would be to actually make a concept like universal care be enacted.

    Deaths from Covid have to have an alarming percentage of people who suffered with no care because they could not afford to miss work and/or go to the hospital to seek treatment.

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