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    ^^^^ that is what they're doing now, and why the trial is being paused.

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    Sorry ... I thought that was obvious. Yes, they will unblind and investigate in order to address the FDA hold.

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    I'm sure someone in the study knows if the sick party was in the control arm or not. I wouldn't expect that information to be made public. My guess is that it was a vaccinated subject. I don't think they would have paused the study if it had been a control subject. But I haven't reviewed the study protocol.

    In a study like this there would normally be people who assess the subjects; if someone gets Covid they would have to assess how serious the case was without knowing if the person is a control or not. Other people who aren't involved in assessing patients would be able to unblind if necessary.
    I would also think that there were would be planned unblinding at various stages in the study to detect significant results sooner than expected.

    If anyone is familiar with the protocol, please correct me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobz View Post
    Weird to see Montana as one of the recent hot-spots, given that the state had one of the cleanest Covid records in the country for most of the pandemic until recently.
    I saw it coming this spring, economy reopened right in time for tourist season (what a nice safe place for a vacation), plus the conservative doubters thinking it was over, as well as complacency of bored people who wanted to get out and do something. I had conversations with coworkers about it, and it's playing out predictably. Our housing market has been hot, what a great place to telecommute from. Sigh. 56 new cases since yesterday in Missoula County.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    that's great. won't get any Trumpers to wear masks though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    that's great. won't get any Trumpers to wear masks though.
    Srsly.

    The most recent reason I saw was that, for one individual, the mask caused "a misalignment within"...

    WTF does that even mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Srsly.

    The most recent reason I saw was that, for one individual, the mask caused "a misalignment within"...

    WTF does that even mean?
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    Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

    Woman in my Momís condo complex may have Covid. Mid-80ís. Wisconsin. Gets together every weekend with her daughter who flies every week for business.... Both have fever, lost taste & smell.

    When I was there in June she (the woman) told me she did not mask when her daughter visits ďbecause airplanes are very safeĒ. I rolled my eyes.


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    My father in law was apparently exposed a week and a half ago by an aide that works part time at the place he lives. They didn't find out until Thursday so they isolated and tested him but the results aren't back yet so he's been sitting in his room alone except for when they come in to give him his meds and food. They come in in full PPE from head to toe, do what they have to do and leave right away with nothing more than cursory conversation. For a 94 year old guy with severe dementia this is devastating. He's been fading away faster than the last few years put together and when we spoke to him a little while ago he cried and begged us to get him out of there. This may be the final straw that puts him over the edge and we'll be forced to put him in the locked "memory care" unit and it really sucks because there are so many things wrong with those units and we won't be able to visit him anymore other than through a window. We may have to move him into our house which would truly suck, 5 people and one bathroom doesn't work well in the best of circumstances and when one has to live on the couch it ruins everyones quality of life. It also means we can never leave to do things together as a family because either me or my wife have to be here with him all the time including sleeping where we can hear him so he doesn't walk out like he did last time he lived here. We're not medical care people and honestly I don't have the patience to deal with it 24/7. This sux

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    That does suck, man. I'm sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Srsly.

    The most recent reason I saw was that, for one individual, the mask caused "a misalignment within"...

    WTF does that even mean?
    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post
    My father in law was apparently exposed a week and a half ago by an aide that works part time at the place he lives. They didn't find out until Thursday so they isolated and tested him but the results aren't back yet so he's been sitting in his room alone except for when they come in to give him his meds and food. They come in in full PPE from head to toe, do what they have to do and leave right away with nothing more than cursory conversation. For a 94 year old guy with severe dementia this is devastating. He's been fading away faster than the last few years put together and when we spoke to him a little while ago he cried and begged us to get him out of there. This may be the final straw that puts him over the edge and we'll be forced to put him in the locked "memory care" unit and it really sucks because there are so many things wrong with those units and we won't be able to visit him anymore other than through a window. We may have to move him into our house which would truly suck, 5 people and one bathroom doesn't work well in the best of circumstances and when one has to live on the couch it ruins everyones quality of life. It also means we can never leave to do things together as a family because either me or my wife have to be here with him all the time including sleeping where we can hear him so he doesn't walk out like he did last time he lived here. We're not medical care people and honestly I don't have the patience to deal with it 24/7. This sux
    It truly sucks. The burden of caring for someone with significant dementia at home can certainly be overwhelming--think long and hard before you consider taking that on. Hope he gets a negative test result, and soon.

    70 year old friend of ours has a mutual friend visiting from SLC. Not staying with her and her husband who has significant Parkinson's, but a bunch of "the girls" have been having gatherings for a week and now the two of them are flying off to Vegas--the country's hottest hot spot--to gamble for a few days. We of course have had nothing to do with the whole shit show and won't be spending any outdoors time with her for a couple of weeks after she gets back--or maybe never, since she seems to be upset with my wife for not participating. This country is certainly lacking in mental fortitude, to use an outdated phrase.

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    Ugh. My dad has Parkinson's and dementia and has been going downhill as of late. I was really hoping this summer that I might be able to drive back(MT to WI) to see him for Thanksgiving. At the time my county had 0 cases. We have been surging and I dont think I can in good conscience head back if things keep the way they are going(of course they will..). Meanwhile my mom had finally gotten allowed to have an aide come in once a week to give her at least a little break. I also listen to almost everyone in my town downplay or straight up deny what it happening because it doesn't affect them or it's just the flu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post
    My father in law was apparently exposed a week and a half ago by an aide that works part time at the place he lives. They didn't find out until Thursday so they isolated and tested him but the results aren't back yet so he's been sitting in his room alone except for when they come in to give him his meds and food. They come in in full PPE from head to toe, do what they have to do and leave right away with nothing more than cursory conversation. For a 94 year old guy with severe dementia this is devastating. He's been fading away faster than the last few years put together and when we spoke to him a little while ago he cried and begged us to get him out of there. This may be the final straw that puts him over the edge and we'll be forced to put him in the locked "memory care" unit and it really sucks because there are so many things wrong with those units and we won't be able to visit him anymore other than through a window. We may have to move him into our house which would truly suck, 5 people and one bathroom doesn't work well in the best of circumstances and when one has to live on the couch it ruins everyones quality of life. It also means we can never leave to do things together as a family because either me or my wife have to be here with him all the time including sleeping where we can hear him so he doesn't walk out like he did last time he lived here. We're not medical care people and honestly I don't have the patience to deal with it 24/7. This sux
    I'm so sorry for you and your father. (((((Hugs)))))



    Quote Originally Posted by lifelinksplit View Post
    Ugh. My dad has Parkinson's and dementia and has been going downhill as of late. I was really hoping this summer that I might be able to drive back(MT to WI) to see him for Thanksgiving. At the time my county had 0 cases. We have been surging and I dont think I can in good conscience head back if things keep the way they are going(of course they will..). Meanwhile my mom had finally gotten allowed to have an aide come in once a week to give her at least a little break. I also listen to almost everyone in my town downplay or straight up deny what it happening because it doesn't affect them or it's just the flu.
    , crap crap. Sorry sounds so hollow but I sincerly mean it and hope for the best for you and everyone dealing with this sort of situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    It truly sucks. The burden of caring for someone with significant dementia at home can certainly be overwhelming--think long and hard before you consider taking that on. Hope he gets a negative test result, and soon.
    Even if the results come back negative we are probably going to have to do something. He's faded to the point that he really shouldn't be anywhere other than a memory care unit but that's like a death sentence with Covid, they lost 30 residents out of that side and only 2 on the regular side. It also stinks in there so bad that my wife can barely stand it for more than a minute or two, think about how most of them just piss and shit in their pants all the time. My wife has a devastatingly sensitive sense of smell and a few seconds in there and her eyes are tearing and a minute or two later and she has to leave because she can't breathe. One of the times they made us tour the place we walked around a corner and there was an old guy standing in the middle of the hall butt naked and pissing on the floor. Try getting people in that situation to wear a mask, not happening and they keep getting each other sick, we can't in good conscience put him in a place like that. I don't know what we're going to do but the tough guy that made it through Auschwitz and one other camp doesn't deserve to be left alone and crying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post
    Even if the results come back negative we are probably going to have to do something. He's faded to the point that he really shouldn't be anywhere other than a memory care unit but that's like a death sentence with Covid, they lost 30 residents out of that side and only 2 on the regular side. It also stinks in there so bad that my wife can barely stand it for more than a minute or two, think about how most of them just piss and shit in their pants all the time. My wife has a devastatingly sensitive sense of smell and a few seconds in there and her eyes are tearing and a minute or two later and she has to leave because she can't breathe. One of the times they made us tour the place we walked around a corner and there was an old guy standing in the middle of the hall butt naked and pissing on the floor. Try getting people in that situation to wear a mask, not happening and they keep getting each other sick, we can't in good conscience put him in a place like that. I don't know what we're going to do but the tough guy that made it through Auschwitz and one other camp doesn't deserve to be left alone and crying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post
    Even if the results come back negative we are probably going to have to do something. He's faded to the point that he really shouldn't be anywhere other than a memory care unit but that's like a death sentence with Covid, they lost 30 residents out of that side and only 2 on the regular side. It also stinks in there so bad that my wife can barely stand it for more than a minute or two, think about how most of them just piss and shit in their pants all the time. My wife has a devastatingly sensitive sense of smell and a few seconds in there and her eyes are tearing and a minute or two later and she has to leave because she can't breathe. One of the times they made us tour the place we walked around a corner and there was an old guy standing in the middle of the hall butt naked and pissing on the floor. Try getting people in that situation to wear a mask, not happening and they keep getting each other sick, we can't in good conscience put him in a place like that. I don't know what we're going to do but the tough guy that made it through Auschwitz and one other camp doesn't deserve to be left alone and crying.
    That really sucks. I wish you the best. My grandma was in a memory care unit the last couple years of her life at about the same age. It was a really nice place. She had money though. As sad as it was to see them rip through a huge chunk of her life's savings it was worth it.

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    Administrators at Brigham Young University's campus say they are "deeply troubled" by reports that students may have intentionally tried to contract COVID-19, lured by blood donation centers that are paying a premium for plasma with COVID-19 antibodies.

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    That's rough to hear gravitylover. I don't envy your position at all. A lot of families are having to make tough decisions this year, and there definitely is never a truly correct decision, only a decision made with the best information available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglymoney View Post
    That really sucks. I wish you the best. My grandma was in a memory care unit the last couple years of her life at about the same age. It was a really nice place. She had money though. As sad as it was to see them rip through a huge chunk of her life's savings it was worth it.
    It's not about the money and it is a "nice place" but that's all turned topsy turvy this year. I think that the smell is something that she'd get over if it was the only problem but the fact that they're dropping like flies in there is scary. How do you do that to the guy knowing that there's a fair chance he won't come out alive? Even before Covid memory care units like this lose more residents to the flu every year because they just don't understand how to stay away from other people and unless they're in a wheelchair you can't stop them from doing the wrong thing. I'm hearing similar stories about a few of the other facilities around here so moving him to a different place doesn't solve the Covid problem. There's a brand new place opening in our town in March but I don't know if we have that long to figure it out. The only other solution is to get him a couple of full time aides to live in his apartment but that adds another $4-5k/month (on top of the existing 12).

    Ahh well, thanks for letting me talk it through folks. It sux and I don't know what to do...

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    Fuck. I feel like I just got a well deserved reality check beat down. Covid has made so many things murky. Sorry gravity.

    In other news my daughter was invited to a birthday party this past weekend. We turned down the invite on her behalf. Turns out 65 kids showed up and were at times indoors and unmasked. From a wealthy suburb of Moose that leans right. It is a twisted split world right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglymoney View Post
    Fuck. I feel like I just got a well deserved reality check beat down. Covid has made so many things murky. Sorry gravity.

    In other news my daughter was invited to a birthday party this past weekend. We turned down the invite on her behalf. Turns out 65 kids showed up and were at times indoors and unmasked. From a wealthy suburb of Moose that leans right. It is a twisted split world right now.
    It really is. Itís mind boggling to think someone is that stupid as to host a party that big in this time.

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    My timing for visiting Glacier National Park last week was great in terms of weather, not so great in terms of coronavirus. Luckily no signs symptoms so far for me or my wife.

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    GL thoughts and vibes - thatís a shitty situation to be in

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