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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post

    You heard that woman at the city council meeting in Florida - "I don't wear a mask for the same reason I don't wear underwear, things gotta breath."
    Ya gotta admit there is a certain logic in that.



    Of course both don't inhibit the spread or certain diseases.

    I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...
    iscariot

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    Quote Originally Posted by hutash View Post
    Ya gotta admit there is a certain logic in that.



    Of course both don't inhibit the spread or certain diseases.
    to me she seemed just a little too eager to share that personal information with the public. What she no doubt thought was cute and sexy came across as gross and skanky (to me).



    Anyhoo... in other reopening failure news:

    Country singer Chase Rice gave a concert the other night to a 50% capacity crowd unfortunatley 50% for the venue he played was 4K packed-in unmasked screaming fans WTF?

    When critisized his managers defended the concert saying that 4K was actually less than 50% for the venue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    to me she seemed just a little too eager to share that personal information with the public. What she no doubt thought was cute and sexy came across as gross and skanky (to me).



    Anyhoo... in other reopening failure news:

    Country singer Chase Rice gave a concert the other night to a 50% capacity crowd unfortunatley 50% for the venue he played was 4K packed-in unmasked screaming fans WTF?

    When critisized his managers defended the concert saying that 4K was actually less than 50% for the venue.
    Somebody is going to write a sad song about grandma dying from a virus the young girl brought back from that gig.

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    That’s why people are dissing contract tracing.
    Don’t want the drama or liabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    Meh. I thought psilocybin was just as potent if not more so if you took enough. Who was it that said to tell 5 grams and go sit in a dark room to get your head right? 4 was as high as I went as a kid but it was certainly a “trip” to a different dimension. It wasn’t like the walls were melting or spinning, more like I saw a whole landscape that wasn’t there. It didn’t matter if my eyes were open or closed I still saw it. If I needed to do something I could but just took a lot of focus on reality. But I endorse the idea, I’d like to give all the participants in my local NextDoor a hit and I bet there’d be a marked improvement in civility the next day.
    Only did it once

    Roomey had a bag of them that we split, at 175lb the dosage was level was great for me, at 120lb not so much for her,

    she ended up locked in a room with one of those old door knobs that just spun & spun ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJSapp View Post
    Not quite. The ADA has a 'reasonable accommodation' clause. It is put upon the business to attempt to provide a 'reasonable accommodation' to those who cannot access goods or services due to the business's failure to meet accessibility requirements. This would mean that the business in lieu of providing a personal HEPA filter following this person around or emptying the store completely for them and sanitizing everything upon their exit, the business could reasonably provide socially distant curbside service (aka please order online or over the phone and we'll put it in your trunk, or drivethru/takeout at a restaurant). The customer is receiving the product, just in a different manner and they are being denied access to the store for safety. This is the intent of the reasonable accommodation clause. Anyone with a real disability knows about this. The anti-maskers of the world want to be 'disabled', but don't like getting the treatment afforded to them under the ADA. Businesses can also determine that there is no safe way to reasonably accommodate a person that isn't wearing a mask and deny entry or service in the name of safety (e.g. hair salon).

    Refusing service because someone IS wearing a mask falls under the 'right to refuse service' and is fraught with legal peril as dress codes based upon the owners whim are tough to legally enforce, especially when the government is telling us to wear masks.
    I might just be confused by the "not quite" part, because it seems like we're saying the same things. Am I missing something subtle?

    Re: the mask-wearer entering a "no masks allowed" store (since we're not all in WA--yet): It seems like the person who wants to claim protection under the ADA to wear their own mask to visit a place of business is providing his or her own reasonable accommodation. Obviously there are greater risk mitigation steps that might be taken, like a full hazmat suit. But it seems like whatever steps a person wants to take if they believe they are at risk should be deemed reasonable if they don't demand anything besides entry and don't create a hazard for others. Do you agree? Is that too broad a generalization?

    In the opposite scenario, the card bearer above should be either SOL or waiting curbside, etc. anywhere that requires a mask, correct?

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    Yo, Panama red masked acid-heads.... the thing y’all are trying to get at:

    “Set and setting”

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    Hence the reference to other unnamed diseases. No doubt the airy skank and those at the concert are transmitting more diseases then just C19.

    I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...
    iscariot

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    So you’re saying any girl at a concert is definitively confirmed std?
    Get a grip on reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post

    One thing that concerns me is that decisions regarding intubation seem to be frequently be made in the ER--by ER docs and not by the lung and intensive care specialists who will be managing the case. How well versed the ER docs are in the most up-to-date ideas in managing Covid I think will depend on the hospital and on the quality of communication between ICU and ER docs. Also, as cases surge and ERs start to get overwhelmed, immediately intubating may necessary to stabilize someone who might be able to do ok off the ventilator if the ER wasn't so busy and the docs and nurses had more time to work with them.

    As a (retired) HCW the idea that patients would be intubated primarily to protect the people caring for them rather than for the patient's benefit disturbs me. Maybe that would not have been thought necessary if we had adequate supplies of PPE. Just one more way in which our govt and our health care system has failed us, despite being the most expensive in the world. When my wife broke her ankle in April she was intubated and ventilated for the operation in order to protect the anesthesiologist just in case she had Covid and she had complications from the intubation. Normally she would have been masked and breathing spontaneously for the operation.
    My wife is saying that was more common early on, but not necessarily anymore due to realizing the extubation probably posed more of a risk than the patient just breathing out into the room.

    Side note, another reason to avoid the vent if you have the covid is the good chance of living in a hell like state the entire time from the delerium. It sounds brutal and affects more than half the patients regardless of age.

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    Relax old man, its just the flu.
    I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

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    Annndddd.............it's official. U.S. travellers banned from EU, but, haha, get this, Chinese aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Annndddd.............it's official. U.S. travellers banned from EU, but, haha, get this, Chinese aren't.
    I don't know about you but I'm tired of winning.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    I don't know about you but I'm tired of winning.
    Yup. However, we were warned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yonder_River View Post
    My wife is saying that was more common early on, but not necessarily anymore due to realizing the extubation probably posed more of a risk than the patient just breathing out into the room.

    Side note, another reason to avoid the vent if you have the covid is the good chance of living in a hell like state the entire time from the delerium. It sounds brutal and affects more than half the patients regardless of age.
    Cue the Soprano's episodes where Tony has been shot and is imagining he's in a hotel having lost all his papers and ID and can't go home. Most people don't remember their delirious delusions and hallucinations but that doesn't mean that they don't leave a lasting affect. I had a guy with 90% burns, septic, who would look at his splinted, bandaged hands and scream "SHARKS!". And the guy who kept trying to talk on the phone into his urinal.

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    But we can still go to Britain for 4th of July celebrations? Or no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    Yo, Panama red masked acid-heads.... the thing y’all are trying to get at:

    “Set and setting”
    Maybe for the things mentioned above and, more specifically, the people involved but, as someone who's eaten shrooms and peyote buttons by the handfuls and drank bottles of liquid owsley by the gulps, I felt like I'd just been pissing up a rope for decades once I tried dmt. I don't give a fuck what the setting is. You're gonna drop right into another reality/universe/state of being that surpasses all that other stuff/experience in the blink of an eye; so fast and hard that, if not prepared for it, a feeling of panic can ruin it for you or prevent you from going there. But a willingness to ride it and use good judgment on a spiritual plane can be eye-openingly life-altering. Just fucking incredible and real.

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    Went out for some grocery and booze procurement yesterday. Still kinda stunned to see people in the stores without masks. Not as many as a couple of weeks ago, but still.... and we have mandatory public masking here. And why TF doesn't the store enforce the mail wearing for all who enter?
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    If I lived in WA, Oft would be my realtor. Seriously.

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    and, Rand Paul..... WTFF? Always a kook but really getting it done at this morning's congressional hearing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    If I lived in WA, Oft would be my realtor. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oftpiste View Post
    Went out for some grocery and booze procurement yesterday. Still kinda stunned to see people in the stores without masks. Not as many as a couple of weeks ago, but still.... and we have mandatory public masking here. And why TF doesn't the store enforce the mail wearing for all who enter?
    Because it was a shitty job in the first place, so most employees aren't going to risk getting assaulted or shot or just screamed at for telling adults how to behave for the meager wages in an already life threatening work environment .

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    https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...OLqbmqGMBukKYQ

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    Well, sure. Just imagine when we're all confined to indoor spaces in the fall/winter.

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    Guys seriously-> Nevermind that the spike in Covid cases corresponds with the start of the BLM marches and further ignore the fact that the average patient profile corresponds with the protests —> It’s the Republican governors fault for letting businesses re-open. We cannot get off message!

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