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10-06-2021, 01:04 PM #36576Registered User
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Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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10-06-2021, 01:08 PM #36577
JFC. You’re not listening - you’re just waiting for your chance to repeat what you already got wrong. The technical part is not easy. Decades of failures have shown that. “Common sense” about diet and obesity, even if it were common, is wrong.
But we can take this to a thread about obesity if you want to discuss further.
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10-06-2021, 01:11 PM #36578Registered User
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go ahead and start an obesity thread if you like, on a forum populated by skiers/ runners/ bikers I doubt there are many in that group
Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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10-06-2021, 01:22 PM #36579
Remember Ted Cruz's presidential platform?
'If Heidi Cruz becomes the next first lady, French fries are coming back to the cafeteria!"
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10-06-2021, 01:23 PM #36580
I'm going to disagree here. The technical part is easy--eat whole foods prepared at home. Making the switch from the SAD and getting to the point where healthy eating is a habit and just the default mode in which you live your life, that part is really, really hard.
The Nutrition Science thread is right over there, folks: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...Science-thread
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10-06-2021, 01:27 PM #36581
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10-06-2021, 01:31 PM #36582
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10-06-2021, 01:31 PM #36583
Maybe start a memory loss thread instead.
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...hlight=obesityMove upside and let the man go through...
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10-06-2021, 01:40 PM #36584
eat whole foods is a huge oversimplification with regards to food choice
while simultaneously ignoring many other important factors including food access
We as a society want this to be simple. So many other things in our lives are complicated (eg covid) and we work to continually figure those things out yet we continue to treat diet (no XXX I don’t mean dieting) as just something we can figure out based on instinct and the “common sense” we’ve been taught.
The answers are not gonna be summarized in these one sentence idioms we keep repeating.
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10-06-2021, 01:46 PM #36585Registered User
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Eating healthy is fairly easy, objectively good, and nearly everyone can do it or at least eat much healthier than they currently do. Similarly, treating people with respect is fairly easy, objectively good, and nearly everyone can do it. In both instances, faaaar too many people fail to do so, in many cases for similar reasons... its easier and in the short term makes them feel better.
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10-06-2021, 01:55 PM #36586
Descriptive concepts are easier for people to implement than narrow prescriptive specifics. I'll also bet lots of money that you could repeat this study multiple times with different sets of foods that fit into the same two broad categories and get the same results: https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism...19)30248-7.pdf
I was actually going to edit that to include "...if it's available and you can afford it."
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10-06-2021, 01:58 PM #36587
Eating healthy is easy = only if you have been taught what eating healthy really is - is it low fat? Lots of fruit? What if all I have are bananas. Lots of veggies? What if all my veggies are potatoes. Does it matter how I cook them? What time of day? What about fiber content. How large should the servings be?Is red meat bad for me? Tuna? What about alcohol?
Eating healthy is objectively good - agree 100% if someone truly is “eating healthy” ^
Agree 100% that everyone can do better - disagree that people can do it easily without changes to education, recommendations, and food access
Agree 100% that respecting where people are coming from on this issue - and not neglecting that decades of misguided or even nefarious recommendations are playing a role - coupled with the fact that poor people have both the reduced access to food education and reduced access to food options.
Framing it as a willpower issue is insulting when talking about someone living in poverty trying to feed their family and not having the know how to do that properly and not having the resources to do it *even if* they knew how.
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10-06-2021, 02:01 PM #36588Registered User
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Under 3% of the population lives in a food desert. they are forgiven for bad diets. Add in that another 13% live in poverty and assume no overlap. So, 16% of the population is forgiven. The remaining 86% dont have a great excuse. We all know what the food pyramid looks like, i really do not buy that people don't know what eating healthy is. Put a gun to their head at every meal primed to fire if its unhealthy and watch their diet change immediately.
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10-06-2021, 02:03 PM #36589
Your assessment on people's reasoning is sound, and is totally correct, but at the end of the day, it's still about personal choice and habits. If it's a matter of money, we can all point to the gazillions of people in fancy houses with luxurious chef's kitchens that go totally unused, with those families hitting up fast food on the reg. If it's a matter of time for those same people with money, then popping into a pho or ramen joint is almost always quicker than the slow ass lines that McD's has become. Often times cheaper too when a combo meal's rapidly approaching $10 these days. Plenty of pho places in the poorer sides of town too from what I've seen.
Regarding the "food deserts" we hear about so often, that IS a problem for many around the country, but even in the poorest sides of my town at least, you can eat plenty healthy if you make an effort. But that does take a bit of knowledge if one even cares to know. For example, I actually go to "the hood" to purchase much of my produce. That's where the warehouses are that supply the grocery stores. Couple of them are open to the public and are DIRT cheap. It's badass. I have fresh fruit and veggies coming out of my ears for no more than $20-30/week, and yes, they accept food stamps. And down the street from them are the roadside stands. "Sandia fresca! $1! Melónes - $0.50!" Great stuff. In fact, I have to go make another run this afternoon. Mangos just came in. 4 CASES for $10. This is in an area that our local news did a piece on calling it a "food desert." I know that can be true in many places, but in this case I was like "Uhh, wut?"
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10-06-2021, 02:04 PM #36590
That is an interesting study that they matched for everything else except for the processing. Thanks for sharing.
Agree that, as a simple easily digested concept the “eat less processed foods” would be a good starting point.
Alas a lot of people who need to learn this don’t understand what we mean by processed food. Not saying that to discount the idea - only to highlight that even this straightforward starting point requires more education (complexity) than just a one sentence recommendation.
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10-06-2021, 02:04 PM #36591Registered User
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so i was on a hut trip with 3 MD's one being the dean of medicine, they all did way more internal medicine than they did ski pow but I digress, I asked one of them if there is any medical reason why people become and remain fat ?
he said no
but I am sure the answer is >
so as you can see ... I did my reasearchLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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10-06-2021, 02:07 PM #36592
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10-06-2021, 02:08 PM #36593
“ you can eat plenty healthy if you make an effort. But that does take a bit of knowledge”
Fact: we can do a better job of not listening to corn lobbyists and instead educating people about what eating healthy really is (most of us in here get it)
Fact: some people are still gonna eat shitty diets because of many reasons - even if they can afford not to and know why they shouldn’t
We can throw our hands up and say “well we couldn’t convince 100% of the population to do better” or we can try to educate as many as we can
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10-06-2021, 02:09 PM #36594
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10-06-2021, 02:11 PM #36595
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10-06-2021, 02:14 PM #36596
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10-06-2021, 02:15 PM #36597
Believe it or not, I agree with you 100%. Educational efforts could go a long way toward this effort, but I fear our govt is too cucked by corn lobby and such. Past efforts like the food pyramid ended up being pretty faulty.
One thing that is a big hurdle is simply our culture. Go to a convenience store in America and try and find a healthy meal. Now go to a 7-11 in Japan and you'll find plenty of good options. Here we have Big Gulps and gas station corn dogs. There they have sushi and miso to go. No way that'd fly here with the masses. Haha. Yeah, we have a serious problem in this department.
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10-06-2021, 02:15 PM #36598Registered User
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10-06-2021, 02:16 PM #36599Registered User
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Scary part is, im an engineer. True story, i forgot my calculator at home today and it sucks.
Funny enough im constantly evaluating the Kcal/$ equation as i struggle to keep weight on (currently about 15lbs heavier than my default) and eating calorically dense enough foods that dont break the bank is important... lots of rice gets eaten.
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10-06-2021, 02:19 PM #36600Registered User
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