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  1. #35276
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    Tru dat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    That's not true at all. As previously stated, those over 18 weren't generally eligible until April 19th in the U.S. Many states were ahead of this, but many weren't (in WA it was the 16th). That means there are plenty of adults still just getting or still waiting to get their second shots. That's my sole gripe here. I feel like they should have at least waited until all adults had sufficient time to get vaxxed. After that time, yes, there's not much reason to still require masks in most places.
    In most states it seems that there is more capacity to vaccinate than people who want vaccination. It may be that a lot of people, especially younger people, have felt no urgency to get vaccinated because vaccination wouldn't let them do anything they weren't already doing. For those people the CDC guidelines give a strong incentive to hurry up and get vaccinated. In those states or counties where people are still having a hard time getting shots the governors or counties have the option of keeping mask mandates in place as CA is doing.

    I'm not understanding why companies like Walmart, Costco, and TJ are changing their policies regarding masks. Aren't they supposed to follow the rules of whatever jurisdictions their individual stores are in? It should never have been companies' decisions to require masking and it shouldn't be theirs to not require it now. Do these corporations think they are laws unto themselves? (Rhetorical question; I think I'd rather not now the answer.)

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    Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

    Hardware store today in California: sign at the entrance says masks are mandatory. It was busy. Maybe half the customers were wearing masks and many with masks on were not covering their noses. All employees were wearing masks. Onto the grocery store. Big sign requiring masks. All employees wearing masks. Not very busy. Maybe 25% noncompliance, including an off-work employee not wearing a mask.

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    Brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    Because it's their establishment, and for all you know, they have an immune compromised employee whom they value, and who is uncomfortable about this. It starts with science, by but goes beyond that.

    ... Thom
    Again, the masks weren’t for the employee’s feelings, they were for controlling the spread of disease. I’ve now controlled that risk through other equally-effective means.

    If a business wants to keep hassling vaccinated people at this stage, fine, it’s their business, but alternatives will quickly emerge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    That's not true at all. As previously stated, those over 18 weren't generally eligible until April 19th in the U.S. Many states were ahead of this, but many weren't (in WA it was the 16th). That means there are plenty of adults still just getting or still waiting to get their second shots. That's my sole gripe here. I feel like they should have at least waited until all adults had sufficient time to get vaxxed. After that time, yes, there's not much reason to still require masks in most places.

    Fair enough. I guess I’m operating on a local timeline here, where I got my first a week into “everyone 18 and older” and I’m now a couple weeks past my 2nd shot.
    There have been free walk-in shots here for a while.


    Different situation in places not as far along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tips^Up View Post
    No mask or social distancing from the CDC and White House is a victory. It shows confidence in the vaccines. It empowers local small businesses. It opens life as we used to know it, but of course totally different. It gives anti-vaxxers an incentive to get it, because it works. If you got vaxxed and still had to socially distance, avoid crowds, bars, shows, plays, live music, wtf is the point of getting a vaccine? Get it, and this is our reward.

    We're a free country. My Grandma, parents, pregnant wife, me, in-laws, co-workers - we've made the choice to get it. I understand new vaccine hesitancy - but at this point, where multiple vaccine choices are widely available for free at any time to anyone that wants it, I agree it's time to resume life. If someone chooses not to get vaccinated and not socially distance and not wear a mask and they die or they catch covid and they're totally fine, we're a free country. We've all sacrificed for a year, and it's time to move forward. Buy local, a lot. Go spend that money you've been hoarding for the past year. Hug everyone you see. Go visit your Grandma and parents. Soak in that sun, the long winter is melting away. Smile.

    If you're old, fat or afraid, you do you and keep on social distancing and wearing your mask everywhere. If you've got no pre-existing conditions, younger than 60, not fat, vaccinated, let's fucking do this.
    Not a fan of this viewpoint as it ignores the risk that we all face if the virus continues to propagate even within a small segment of the population. Variant data to date suggests that the existing vaccines will afford us some level of protection and we all know the vaccine developers are chasing down boosters that should broaden coverage, but breakthrough is a very real concept. While we all talk about the percentage of vaccinated persons in the country, the better number to follow are case-rates. We're looking good at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    I'm not understanding why companies like Walmart, Costco, and TJ are changing their policies regarding masks. Aren't they supposed to follow the rules of whatever jurisdictions their individual stores are in?
    I can't speak for the others, but I just saw Costco's revised policy and it's just that: it specifically says that local regulations will still be followed:
    https://www.costco.com/coronavirus.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    Fair enough. I guess I’m operating on a local timeline here, where I got my first a week into “everyone 18 and older” and I’m now a couple weeks past my 2nd shot.
    There have been free walk-in shots here for a while.
    The situation changed very quickly in Seattle. I had to drive 30 miles to get my first shot. About a week later shots were readily available everywhere. As of today we're exactly 28 days from 4/19 which is the suggested interval for the Moderna shot. So anyone who got the shot when they became available everywhere to those over 18 should be getting their second shots. In another two to three weeks we should have a pretty significant majority of adults fully vaccinated in the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    I can't speak for the others, but I just saw Costco's revised policy and it's just that: it specifically says that local regulations will still be followed:
    https://www.costco.com/coronavirus.html
    Thanks for the clarification. Not that it makes me feel any better about corporations.

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    Costco is not like other companies in how they run the business

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    Yeah, they're worse.

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    I think for a POS retail outlet they actulay treat employees better
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    Higher salary than the vast majority of retail. 401k match. Healthcare. Seems pretty decent to me.

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    Costco has more in common with Wegmans than Kroeger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
    Costco has more in common with Wegmans than Kroeger.
    This really clears things up


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    Srsly. WTF is "Kroeger"? Some kinda German meat market?

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    I'm referring to their political activism wrt state liquor laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Brilliant.

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    I hope someone pointed out to her that Dear Leader and his entire family have had the jab.





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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    I hope someone pointed out to her that Dear Leader and his entire family have had the jab.
    Yeah she's the one who went viral for shitting herself in a drunken stupor at a college party, so........
    What we have here is an intelligence failure. You may be familiar with staring directly at that when shaving. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    I hope someone pointed out to her that Dear Leader and his entire family have had the jab.
    I don't know why you'd think such information would make any difference to a complete moran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    I spoke with some friends working the vax clinic, a physican and his nurse wife, and there were less than pleased with the CDC's announcement stating they would continue to mask up until the numbers got better.
    Exactly this. Let's end the pandemic, then relax the restrictions.

    At 700 US deaths a day, that's 250k per year - Covid is a major, entirely preventable killer. And vaccination does not confer invulnerability. Post-EUA vax protection studies range between 66% and 90% protective, suggesting a vaxxed death rate north of 25k per year. Not exactly "safe." We spend $thousands extra on car safety features for marginal reductions in deaths. We ought to keep 50c masks and other pandemic measures until the numbers improve.

    IMO, CDC has consistently acted to worsen and prolong the pandemic.

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    USA just clocked 600,000 dead on worldometer , Covid is so not over
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    USA just clocked 600,000 dead on worldometer , Covid is so not over
    75K more to tie the 1918 pandemic so... so far.... not worse than the flu!
    When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis


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    Forecasts people. Forecasts. It's possible with data.

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