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  1. #28676
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    I was going to post something I heard today about death rates that is very similar to this. Pulmonologist from NYU said that at the height of last springs outbreak about 50% of their hospitalized patients were not surviving, she said it is now 7%.

    Wonder how much of that was due to a high number of elderly patients being infected and are the patients they are seeing today younger and healthier to the degree that they still get very sick but survive? She also said that the virus is slightly different and not as virulent.

    Also today an NYU Pediatric immunologist said that they are seeing kids with positive PCR tests that upon further testing they are spreading very little to no virus. Some kids for unknown reason do shed it but he said not very many. Also kids with asthma and cystic fibrosis are not having more serious illness than kids without those conditions. As bad as Cystic Fibrosis is I would have thought that any respiratory virus would be really serious

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncskier View Post
    So while most threads devolve into Biden will save us and trump is an idiot, what is there to make of this which is Europe blowing up now? We are all fucked unless you can stay away from humans masks or no masks.



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    I would hope that people who support Biden understand that electing him won't make things significantly better. The partisan divide on Covid (or BLM or global warming) is not going away and any federal mandates will be ignored by the usual 40%. Maybe we'll get better PPE but at this point, with a vaccine "just around the corner" I would expect reluctance to invest in N95 tooling. Given that a vaccine is expected to be 50% effective at most (if we're lucky) there will still be plenty of Covid cases in hospitals but people tend to forget that.

    Re aerosols--I suspect that at least part of the initial resistance to aerosol theory was that some of the early, high profile cases involved HCW's who were obviously exposed to droplets from their patients' coughs.

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    Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

    More analysis of excess deaths indicating probable undercounting and a high ethnic component. What is surprising is the increase in adults ages 25 to 44.

    “While the number of deaths among adults ages 45 to 64 increased by 15 percent, and by 24 percent among those ages 65 to 74, deaths increased 26.5 percent among those in their mid-20s to mid-40s”

    “People of color also had large percentage increases in excess deaths, compared with previous years. Hispanics experienced a 54 percent increase, while Black people saw a 33 percent rise. Deaths were 29 percent above average for American Indians or Alaska Native people, and 37 percent above average for those of Asian descent.

    By comparison, the figure for white Americans was 12 percent, according to the analysis.

    The report reviewed deaths from Jan. 26 to Oct. 3 of 2020, and used modeling to compare the weekly tallies with those of corresponding weeks in 2015 through 2019.

    The researchers estimated that 299,028 more people than expected died in the United States during that period, with 198,081 deaths attributable to Covid-19 and the rest to other causes.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/h...=articleShare]

    The CDC study

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

  4. #28679
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    I'm getting so tired of walking into businesses (with must wear a mask signs on the door) and nobody that works there is wearing one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truckeelocal View Post
    You could deal with facts rather than ad hominins. It may be timely to refresh folks that this visualization exists with a pretty striking message ...
    https://dangoodspeed.com/covid/total-cases-since-june
    Thanks for posting that and confirming my suspicions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post
    I'm getting so tired of walking into businesses (with must wear a mask signs on the door) and nobody that works there is wearing one.
    I haven't seen this in Oregon. All employees are wearing them IME.
    "We don't beat the reaper by living longer, we beat the reaper by living well and living fully." - Randy Pausch

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    Trump may not be spared, he might not have any immunity because of the early and aggressive treatment. His immune system wasn’t allowed to really respond. The Monoclonal antibodies and dex would suppress his normal immune response.
    Wouldn't it be ironic if he came out of this with a suppressed immune system from all the drugs and then later died from a common cold or the regular flu. Thus proving that Covid is no worse!

    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Isn’t travel to Mexico from the US closed? Someone I know has been posting pics from Mexico surfing and I’m wondering if I missed something.
    I thought it was closed, but have talked to a few people who have been going down to Baja regularly to surf or fish.

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    Gee, I wonder why?

    According to a new Yahoo Finance-Harris Poll, nearly two-thirds of Americans have concerns about the fast-tracked COVID-19 vaccine, the product of “Operation Warp Speed.”

    In response to the survey prompt, “I feel more concerned about receiving a COVID-19 vaccine than I do about other vaccines (e.g., flu, measles, chickenpox),” 63% of respondents agreed, with 35% agreeing with the statement “somewhat” and 28% agreeing “strongly.” (Because of the comparison to other vaccines, this is a distinct issue from the anti-vaccine movement — which medical professionals and evidence strongly rejects — and is a product of the unique circumstances.)
    "We don't beat the reaper by living longer, we beat the reaper by living well and living fully." - Randy Pausch

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    Donald Trump may be mouthing off about a vaccine but the scientists who are actually working on it are for the most part trustworthy people. I think we will be able to rely on people like Fauci to examine the evidence, including hopefully the raw data, to tell us if the vaccines are safe and effective. I think there is little chance that a fundamentally dangerous vaccine will be released--there is a strong financial incentive for a drug company to not release a vaccine that will kill people and the market. Effectiveness is far less certain and it wouldn't surprise me if a vaccine was approved that showed a trend towards effectiveness without reaching statistical significance. That's not necessarily a bad thing. When you're on the 50 with 3 seconds on the clock a hail mary is your only option.

    Hopefully the early release of a vaccine will not stop further vaccine studies. Once a vaccine is on the market it will be hard to test other vaccines against placebo controls but it will certainly be possible to study them against the already-marketed vaccine.

    Whatever, people shouldn't let their feelings about Trump influence their decision about getting a shot. Listen to the smart people.

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    Has this been posted? Lyrics NSFW.


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    Chilean trees to the rescue?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...accine/616792/

    “The Tree That Could Help Stop the Pandemic”

    “The rare Chilean soapbark tree produces compounds that can boost the body’s reaction to vaccines.”

    “ it happens to be the raw material for one of the world’s most coveted vaccine adjuvants: QS-21. Adjuvants are compounds that boost the body’s immune reaction to a vaccine. Owing to their potential risks to human health, however, only a handful of adjuvants have been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and QS-21 is one of the newest.”

    So the Novavax $1.6 billion commitment from Operation Warp Speed depends on the humble Quillay tree for its adjuvant, Matrix-M. This is a tree that is under severe stress from the mega drought in Chile. I estimate 40% of the forests that harbor the tree are already dead, and the drought is likely to only worsen with the arrival of La Niña. Environmentalists will be all over this.

    Perhaps if the chickens and root beer no longer have the saponins they need, there will be enough, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

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    Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

    Congrats to Texas for taking the all time lead for total CV cases today.

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    Take that California!! Everything is bigger in Texas, bitches!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casey E View Post
    Chilean trees to the rescue?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...accine/616792/

    “The Tree That Could Help Stop the Pandemic”

    “The rare Chilean soapbark tree produces compounds that can boost the body’s reaction to vaccines.”

    “ it happens to be the raw material for one of the world’s most coveted vaccine adjuvants: QS-21. Adjuvants are compounds that boost the body’s immune reaction to a vaccine. Owing to their potential risks to human health, however, only a handful of adjuvants have been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and QS-21 is one of the newest.”

    So the Novavax $1.6 billion commitment from Operation Warp Speed depends on the humble Quillay tree for its adjuvant, Matrix-M. This is a tree that is under severe stress from the mega drought in Chile. I estimate 40% of the forests that harbor the tree are already dead, and the drought is likely to only worsen with the arrival of La Niña. Environmentalists will be all over this.

    Perhaps if the chickens and root beer no longer have the saponins they need, there will be enough, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
    Qs21 and all saponins are toxic as fuck
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    Qs21 and all saponins are toxic as fuck
    For the sake of the survival of the (tree) species, lets hope so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schuss View Post
    That's why all of us are dumbfounded on why Trump made it political - he could have just listened to the CDC and stepped back then reaped an easy re-election as a "wartime" president.
    Scary, but probably true.

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    RC and LATM was good.

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    For a little piece of good news there are currently three universal flu vaccines that are in Phase III trials that if successful will eliminate the need to pick / guess what strains of seasonal flu are going to be targeted each year.

    The other way we could see an improvement is a bit of a vaccination holy grail: A universal flu vaccine, one that could provide long-lasting protection against many types of the virus. This would stop the need for a new version of the vaccine each year. Researchers have been working for years to create a vaccine that targets a stable portion of the virus -- one that doesn’t mutate. Several possible universal vaccines are in clinical trials right now, including three that have reached phase III, where the vaccine is given to thousands of people and tested to make sure it works and is safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
    I haven't seen this in Oregon. All employees are wearing them IME.
    I went into three stores yesterday, 2 liquor stores and a pizza place. One I just turned around and walked out and the other two I got what I needed and split right away. The one I walked out of they didn't even have masks visible and the others were either nose hanging out or just straight up chin guards. It's pretty much that way everywhere here.

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    The Freedumb is strong with entitled people

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    I should clarify that it's worse at small, privately owned businesses than at chain or corporate places although a lot of fast food places are bad and only the drive through person is wearing one.

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    Give me convenience or give me death!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
    I haven't seen this in Oregon. All employees are wearing them IME.
    Yeah, I was surprised at the mask compliance in OR, even in places like Frenchglen and Fields a couple weeks ago. Not so much in Denio NV and Alturas CA.


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    As of today, 1 out of every ten Utahans have tested positive for Covid.

    https://www.ksl.com/article/50035781...covid-19-cases
    now a complete tool

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    Quote Originally Posted by westoxified View Post
    As of today, 1 out of every ten Utahans have tested positive for Covid.

    https://www.ksl.com/article/50035781...covid-19-cases
    Just for clarification that is 1 out of every 10 tested people NOT 1 out of 10 of the state's population. I had to read the article to be sure.
    Last edited by John_B; 10-22-2020 at 03:44 PM.

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