Remember the good old days when it was suggested that old people should die to save the economy?
It was nine days ago.
JAMA article outlining how 6 feet is not enough in some cases
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2763852
I'm seeing multiple reports that the Chinese wet markets are open for business again, complete with their usual fair of bats and dogs. Seriously, China. Knock it the f*#k off already!!!
I would hope that our physicians are supported in their protocols and resulting decisions in determining when and to whom limited specialized care is provided. I am sure there are a myriad of contributing factors, beyond just age, when a healthcare professional is trying to triage care during such a pandemic. The choice of forgoing care to a 70yr old in favour of treatment to a 20yr old of similar health would be a horrible one, but this is a decision when both are already sick and under a physician's care.
This is entirely separate from members of the public (even high ranking politician) getting on a soapbox, and saying that the elderly 'must take one for the team' and unduly expose themselves to actually contracting this virus. Especially for purely selfish 'economic' reasons. Especially when that person at the pulpit is extremely affluent, can easily self-isolate or otherwise receive care that would be unavailable to the unwashed masses.
The value of a person in a community is far beyond their individually garnered paycheque, the retired and otherwise unengaged posters on TGR notwithstanding
Triage is gonna happen - it's already happening - right now people are not getting ventilators and ICU beds because of age, disability, quality of life etc. All that statement says to me is that the medical board is covering their ass from lawsuits and can now say "well we told the doctors not to do that - sue them not us"
"We had nice 3 days in your autonomous mountain realm last weekend." - Tom from Austria (the Rax ski guy)
Based solely off of internet pics, but the big thing I see is trapped/caged live wild animals being offered at those markets. Not only are they allowed to sell wild meat, but also the care to the caged animals is unregulated. At least in this jurisdiction, sale of wild animals or wild meat is verbotten. Domesticated animals have stringent, and overall reasonably enforced, animal welfare and handling requirements to help prevent sick animals from going to market. And various species of domestic animal are also separated at most western agriculture facilities, so cross-contamination should occur far less.
So what are the problems with this modelling? https://covid19.healthdata.org/
it's showing states, like FL, who have not been instituting stronger mitigation gettting worse and worse every day, higher severity and peak coming sooner. Now that FL is making changes.... FINALLY....
I think part of it is they mingle multiple species together, they sit out raw in a big open air market filled with people, etc. I am not a scientist, but eating certain animals like bats and rodents, have been known to spread diseases. U.S. hunters don't typically eat rodents, except squirrels, and typically only ones from the country. I would never eat a squirrel that lived in the city and ate peoples garbage. In the woods, they are eating nuts, etc. Broadly, US hunters also don't typically eat animals that eat meat. Except maybe mountain lions. I guess some hillbillies might eat possum? Eating crow is a saying for a reason...would taste like shit I am sure.
Anyhow, if I go out and shoot an elk, it is butchered and hung as soon as possible, then frozen/processed in a clean facility, then fully cooked before eating. You don't walk down to the farmers market and grab an elk quarter laying right next to pork, deer and marmot.
"We had nice 3 days in your autonomous mountain realm last weekend." - Tom from Austria (the Rax ski guy)
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