Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Vt-Freeheel]

[iceman]

@Multiverse's post: Highs right around 90 every day this week in Singapore - perhaps AC in warm weather might be an analog of winter in a cold climate (i.e. people gathered together inside in cool, dry air) in wealthy societies closely enough to continue the spread though summer? Just a hypothesis.

[MultiVerse]

^ I looked it up and yeah going in and out repeatedly from hot outdoor into air conditioning lowers the body's natural defenses because blood flow, which contains white blood cells, to the nose and throat is immediately restricted by the body in an attempt to preserve core temperature. It's a natural automatic response to suddenly entering a cold environment.

[XXX-er]

Tropical Singapore, maybe the most advanced country in the world when it comes to responding to an epidemic, has seen just under 100 confirmed cases. Singaporeans without any recent travel history have contracted the virus which suggests the virus can spread in warm humid environments.

The good news is Singapore currently has more recoveries than it has new cases so in theory an effective response can contain this thing.

I was suposed to be there right now, don't regret bailing one bit

[muted]

^ I looked it up and yeah going in and out repeatedly from hot outdoor into air conditioning lowers the body's natural defenses because blood flow, which contains white blood cells, to the nose and throat is immediately restricted by the body in an attempt to preserve core temperature. It's a natural automatic response to suddenly entering a cold environment.

Lowers the body's natural defenses how much?

[splat]

I'm ramping up my vitamin C intake.

Three Intravenous Vitamin C Research Studies Approved for Treating COVID-19

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/...ZYQXkifQ%3D%3D

Can Herbal Medicines Fight Wuhan Coronavirus?

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/ca...an-coronavirus

[skaredshtles]

I'm ramping up my vitamin C intake.

Three Intravenous Vitamin C Research Studies Approved for Treating COVID-19

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/...ZYQXkifQ%3D%3D

Can Herbal Medicines Fight Wuhan Coronavirus?

https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/ca...an-coronavirus

Snake Oil claims.

NTTAWWT.

[The AD]

In the Summer, people spend less time cooped up indoors (a theory behind flu season).

The only solution is to just give everyone this summer off from work. Who's with me?

[skaredshtles]

The only solution is to just give everyone this summer off from work. Who's with me?

I'm in.

[powdork]

The 1918 flu raged all summer and died in October.

No, it didn't

The first wave of the 1918 pandemic occurred in the spring and was generally mild. The sick, who experienced such typical flu symptoms as chills, fever and fatigue, usually recovered after several days, and the number of reported deaths was low.

However, a second, highly contagious wave of influenza appeared with a vengeance in the fall of that same year. Victims died within hours or days of developing symptoms, their skin turning blue and their lungs filling with fluid that caused them to suffocate. In just one year, 1918, the average life expectancy in America plummeted by a dozen years.

https://www.history.com/topics/world...8-flu-pandemic


There is no such thing as 'it can't spread in summer' or warm climates. it's just that in the aggregate spreading becomes less efficient. Instead of each person spreading it to two people each person spreads to 1.8, and then the number keeps dropping until fall.

[liv2ski]

You guys aren't off for the summer?

[summit]

I'm ramping up my vitamin C intake.

Three Intravenous Vitamin C Research Studies Approved for Treating COVID-19

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/...ZYQXkifQ%3D%3D

They have been investigating Vitamin C for years for a million things. The studies don't pan out. The most recent amazing claim was that it would treat Sepsis, but those studies have not panned out.

Vitamin C treats and prevents Scurvy. We also use it for burns or as a last ditch for Methemoglobinemia.

[skaredshtles]

You guys aren't off for the summer?

[splat]

They have been investigating Vitamin C for years for a million things. The studies don't pan out. The most recent amazing claim was that it would treat Sepsis, but those studies have not panned out.

Vitamin C treats and prevents Scurvy. We also use it for burns or as a last ditch for Methemoglobinemia.

So.....you're against studies that might help produce some results except the ones you have anecdotal experience with?
Are you saying they shouldn't study it at all?
Wonder how they found it helped with methemoglobinemia?
Did you read all the studies or just scientifically poo-poo it at first glance?

[Game Over]

🤦♀️

[Toadman]

I'm going to keep a spray can of Lysol at me desk. Spray the crap out of the place and keep my door closed. Might be a good time to tell the boss I'm telecommuting (from the ski slopes)

[BmillsSkier]

I don’t see Baker Mayfield’s beard anywhere on that chart.

Looks like the Browns will be shopping for a new QB soon.

RIP Baker, say hey to Tanner for us.

[Benny Profane]

You guys aren't off for the summer?

I'm off for life.

[summit]

So.....you're against studies that might help produce some results except the ones you have anecdotal experience with?
Are you saying they shouldn't study it at all?
Wonder how they found it helped with methemoglobinemia?
Did you read all the studies or just scientifically poo-poo it at first glance?

So you are for putting words in peoples mouths? Where did I say that studies should not be done?

My point is there are just a few things that we know it works for and works well. We should not put much stock in the simple fact that studies are being done because usually the studies don't back up the wild initial claims. That is not a Vitamin C thing... its a trend in general where certain interest wildly promote the potential of a treatment without good evidence and then it doesn't pan out under science, whether it is Big Pharma or Big Alternatives or just an excited practitioner.

Now when studies come out confirming a treatment, then we should get excited.

[Benny Profane]

Studies say alcohol kills it on surfaces, right?

[summit]

Studies say alcohol kills it on surfaces, right?

60-80% isopropyl

30-55% ethanol works well if ingested

[BmillsSkier]

As a pirate, I can confidently say I'm thankful for vitamin C.

[highangle]

have any citations to back that up?

That Chinese restaurant shitter scene in Enter The Dragon?

[MultiVerse]

Lowers the body's natural defenses how much?

As far as I know it isn't quantified but the effect is temporary depending on how long it takes for a person's body to acclimatize. The main thing is you don't want to be cold or shivering in a transmissible environment.

Per powdork, and iceman's hypothesis, influenza likes people gathered together in cold dry conditions. There are other viruses, though, that are just as transmissible in warm humid environments.


Sort of related and quantifiable, the relative transmissible-ness of greeting gestures:



Maybe just throw a random bird and call it good.

[east or bust]

^what about the elbow bump?

fucking amateurs