Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Danno]

Meanwhile, offering a morphine drip instead of a ventilator offers a myriad of societal benefits.

Speechless. Quoting because speechless.

[Ottime]

Longer than 2-3 months. Even if the deaths are contained and we're on the immunity downslope, would you go to an airport and fly or go to a baseball game or a mall?

No. But we will slowly begin to open back up. I can see non essentials opening back up with the one person in the store policy currently in place for the local bike shop. Bike shops are allowed to remain open with certain rules in place, as bikes are transportation and parts and repairs are essential.

As a note, this is a great time to support your local shops. If you used to buy your tires online to save a few bucks keep in mind that (1) cardboard can harbor the virus for 14 hours (2) UPS has told drivers they can’t call in sick and to just use hand sanitizer (3) local shops already have product in hand and many are working through current inventory and not restocking which keep tricks off the road.

[glademaster]

Tire shops around here won't sell you new tires at the moment, unless your old ones have less than 2/32nd's of tread remaining. Emergency tire replacements only.

[Deebased]

Shakes head.

Y’all are in more hysteria about sheltering in place than there is hysteria about the virus. It is not just the old and sick dying. That is just the majority. If we do nothing, it will overwhelm the first responders and health care professionals. They too will get sick. Not all of them will die, but who the hell is going to respond to your 10 car automobile pile up when the fire fighters, cops and doctors are all in bed with a fever.

Sorry that you just don’t get it, but kindly duck off. Let the government feed those hungry children and do what it is supposed to do. The only reason to ignore this thing is so the rich can keep their investments doing well.

Shakes head. Debased trying to make us believe you care about poor children.

Sheltering in place is phenomenal. I'm spending 5x as much time with family and kids.

Yesterday I gave away 90% of my tp and groceries to a school teacher friend who's distributing it amongst her less fortunate students. Probably because the govt is so Goddamned effective.


and yes I'm going to invest in people who have 90% of their lives left over people who have <10%



But its cool, you're a volunteer for the PTA somewhere.

[powdork]

The compounding factors are the emotional and financial stresses, increased risk to disease and the corresponding commitment to poor health the boomers are levying on the next generations.

Meanwhile, offering a morphine drip instead of a ventilator offers a myriad of societal benefits.

Personally, i'm not a boomer I'm told. Just missed it. But there is one thing I do know. Americans over time are getting less healthy. The boomers basically lived the healthiest lives of any generation in America that's still around. Keep that in mind while you blame your woes on the boomers. Your generation is creating multiple times the health problems that the boomers did.

[Deebased]

Sure. First I'll touch on the 'You're stupid part.'
It's not just old people dumbass. 20% of deaths will be under 64. 40% of hospitalizations are under 20-54
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927196

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/...cid=mm6912e2_w

Or there's this, from 11 days ago in Italy. it has doubled twice since then, and more. https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/...-milan-health/


she added

Another Doctor from Niguarda hospital added

So you just reduced the height of the curve by 60%

Thanks for proving my point.

[Benny Profane]

No. But we will slowly begin to open back up. I can see non essentials opening back up with the one person in the store policy currently in place for the local bike shop. Bike shops are allowed to remain open with certain rules in place, as bikes are transportation and parts and repairs are essential.

As a note, this is a great time to support your local shops. If you used to buy your tires online to save a few bucks keep in mind that (1) cardboard can harbor the virus for 14 hours (2) UPS has told drivers they can’t call in sick and to just use hand sanitizer (3) local shops already have product in hand and many are working through current inventory and not restocking which keep tricks off the road.

I agree that I should support the local shop. I like them. But the Chinese tariff wars have fucked up the supply chains for parts for well over a year now, and God knows what the Chinese manufacturing shutdown has done. I have waited months for new wheels and a front derailleur. And, the shops are subject to the same restrictions of supply that the online retailers are. Amazon has been killing them for years, and will just murder them on this one.

[Deebased]

Speechless. Quoting because speechless.

Days long suffocation sounds like a miserable way to die. The Morphine drip is much more humane.

But interpret it however you choose.

[The AD]

increased risk to disease and the corresponding commitment to poor health the boomers are levying on the next generations.

Please explain what the hell you are getting at here.

[XXX-er]

I read that somewhere there is an MD who has figured out how to take one ventilator, run it flat out and with a bit of plumbing vent multiple patients

[AK47bp]

Tire shops around here won't sell you new tires at the moment, unless your old ones have less than 2/32nd's of tread remaining. Emergency tire replacements only.

Shit just got real.


That’s a multiple TGR thread killer.


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[Deebased]

Please explain what the hell you are getting at here.

Shitty nutrition and stress kill... heart disease, high BP, strokes, obesity, etc. That's all becoming part of the CV tax.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...could-kill-you

Benny's probably right, this is going to be a 50T cost spread out over the next decade from a utilitarian perspective. Hopefully, the reset helps people focus on the value of each other.

[Benny Profane]

We have some major stress issues right now.

[huckbucket]

I read that somewhere there is an MD who has figured out how to take one ventilator, run it flat out and with a bit of plumbing vent multiple patients

Been covered. There was a publication on the subject a few years ago. It's a very easily modification. Not sure how widely it's being used in practice.

[huckbucket]

It's just the flu.

[Benny Profane]

Shitty nutrition and stress kill... heart disease, high BP, strokes, obesity, etc. That's all becoming part of the CV tax.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...could-kill-you

Benny's probably right, this is going to be a 50T cost spread out over the next decade from a utilitarian perspective. Hopefully, the reset helps people focus on the value of each other.

Didn't seem to happen after the last crash.

[Ski220]

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Friend from Amsterdam sent me this chart - looks like The Netherlands’ rate of infection curve is similar to Italy’s; it’s just 2 weeks behind...

And talked to my nephew in the Netherlands this morning too. He said he is prepped and stocked but there are no mandatory lockdown there yet and today was a nice spring day and lot's of people were out and socializing. So I expect that the results will mimic Italy and France.

People are dropping like flies and the authorities the world over (for the most part) have their heads in the sand.

The only places that are doing good are where quick and decisive action has been taken.

[XXX-er]

Shitty nutrition and stress kill... heart disease, high BP, strokes, obesity, etc. That's all becoming part of the CV tax.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...could-kill-you

Benny's probably right, this is going to be a 50T cost spread out over the next decade from a utilitarian perspective. Hopefully, the reset helps people focus on the value of each other.

thats ^^ also how many folks get/got the type2 diabetes

IME to lose 10-20 lbs means eating less, a bit of exercise all the a1c figures will fall in line

[Self Jupiter]

It's just the flu.

Wow

[rideit]

And talked to my nephew in the Netherlands this morning too. He said he is prepped and stocked but there are no mandatory lockdown there yet and today was a nice spring day and lot's of people were out and socializing. So I expect that the results will mimic Italy and France.

People are dropping like flies and the authorities the world over (for the most part) have their heads in the sand.

The only places that are doing good are where quick and decisive action has been taken.

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[AK47bp]

My friend in Greece said they go lockdown tomorrow. Have to send a text and be approved to leave the house. Government will tell you the time.


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[The AD]

Shitty nutrition and stress kill... heart disease, high BP, strokes, obesity, etc. That's all becoming part of the CV tax.

So we should just say "fuck 'em?"

[Benny Profane]

thats ^^ also how many folks get/got the type2 diabetes

IME to lose 10-20 lbs means eating less, a bit of exercise all the a1c figures will fall in line

Which is the opposite of what America is doing right now. No exercise and eating crap while watching TV. Yes, we will be even fatter soon.

[XXX-er]

Which is the opposite of what America is doing right now. No exercise and eating crap while watching TV. Yes, we will be even fatter soon.

its not just eating crap its eating too much food so no portion control and they would have been doing this fo eva as an acepted lifestyle

so now this pandemic comes along out of nowhere, how will it affect the huge portions (20% in some states ?) of the population ( pun intended) that are obese ?

will they be affected like old people with health complications ????

[Ski220]

Hopefully, the reset helps people focus on the value of each other.

Perhaps we can start with you?
What is your value?