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01-10-2020, 02:14 PM #76
I should know this but I don't. Is it standard practice everywhere for patrol to listen for beeps on an in-bounds slide?
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01-10-2020, 02:22 PM #77
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01-10-2020, 11:14 PM #78
Your initial rescue 'strike' team is going to have a person doing a beacon search and someone is going to start a Recco search when the unit get there, along with searching for obvious visual clues. While this is going on you can start rescuers that are showing up with probing areas of high probability (trees, roll overs, toe of debris) while you get organized into probe lines/get the dogs into the area.
When life gives you haters, make haterade.
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01-11-2020, 06:47 AM #79
maggs…
I wanted to post in this thread because the northern Rockies of USA is treasured country to me :
I tried to migrate to the region twice thirty years ago. . . and
since our day at Lost Trail in 2017, I have said(,) If I had skied Lost Trail in 1989-1990, I would have found a way to stay in the region...
I used to work with a man who skied Jackass in the late 1970s and early 1980s... and
I considered applying a few years ago, when Silver Mtn. conducted a nationwide Search
( Missing from my resume : Snow Safety Mitigation experience )
my sincere Condolences to those touched by Loss of this incident --
my solemn, ,,, Relief for the survivors ( Fifty minute burial. as others have said, Not statistically … )
my sincere [ Thank You ] to All who contributed to the Search and Rescue response ( I don't believe I am still Able to contribute The effort required for this Work
( Time marches on... and my health is not healthy )
in closing, I offer this only as a Request :
Please , Get Home Safely.
it looks fun. and it looks great. But If it is not Safe...
There are too many in these pages and in these endeavors who don't make it home . . .
Please , Get Home Safely .
Thank you for this important tread...
tj" ... I will do anything to go Skiing ... There Is no pride ... " (Miriam , 2005-2006 epic)
Dec21, 2016. LittleBigLost :
" I think about it everyday. It is my reminder to live life to the fullest. I get up early, go to bed late, 'cuz I got shit to do. Like I said, I'm 61. Not going to wait till I'm 81 to do stuff, ...
Get out there and do stuff!
Enjoy life to the fullest!!
See you on the slopes! "
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01-11-2020, 09:02 AM #80Banned
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All of you that are aiding and abetting negligence here are despicable. An avalanche of this size, occurring on open terrain of that nature isn't "the raw power of mother nature" it's inexcusable. Full Stop. The snow safety director and patrol director there need to lose their jobs, and should never be able to work in those fields again, anywhere. They fucked up by opening that terrain to the public.
If you disagree, you're wrong, AND you're welcome to go fuck yourself.
But sure, go ahead and be corporate apologists, I would expect nothing less from the legions of herpetic sphincters around here.
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01-11-2020, 02:49 PM #81
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01-11-2020, 04:17 PM #82
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01-11-2020, 04:20 PM #83
Yeah because your level of expertise means so fucking much.
Pretty sure the Patrol Dir. and the SS Dir. are one and the same.
I was offered that job in 2013/14 and turned it down because I did not see myself living in Kellogg.
As for the rest of your bullshit..............I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
"Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"
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01-11-2020, 04:58 PM #84
glademaster, simmer down, as in stop freebasing meth for a few days maybe?
Originally Posted by blurred
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01-11-2020, 05:34 PM #85
you can freebase that stuff? just asking for a friend...
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01-11-2020, 05:53 PM #86
Maybe probes not long enough to reach bottom of debris. Scraped off snow with groomer to probe too bottom.
We're not happy 'til you're not happy.
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01-11-2020, 06:16 PM #87
Yup. Current ICAR probing recommendation:
To minimize search times, maximize survival chances and reduce risk to
rescuers, it is recommended to apply the following procedure:
1) With limited resources, in cases with obvious terrain traps and
around anchored surface clues, spot probe the most likely burial
areas.
2) Coarse probe the likely burial areas:
a. On first passage limit the probing depth to 1,5m.
b. On second passage, probe with lateral offset and maximum
probing depth.
3) Fine probe the entire avalanche debris including the immediately
adjacent areas to maximum probing depth.
4) Remove the fine-probed debris to within 1m of the probed depth.
Repeat steps 2, 3 and 4.When life gives you haters, make haterade.
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01-11-2020, 06:26 PM #88
Agree on initial probe depth to depth of likely survival. POD (probability of detection) is high but not 100%.
Scraping off snow with a groomer is not recommended ICAR procedure. I've never heard of such a practice.
On the off chance someone had a large or connected airspace, it would likely be crushed. A shallower missed body could also be dismembered.
In the picture it doesn't look like they ran the whole field with the cat, just across one section.Originally Posted by blurred
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01-11-2020, 07:47 PM #89
The woman who died was a pediatric neurosurgeon.
RIP. https://komonews.com/news/local/ohsu...daho-avalanche
Very sad.
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01-11-2020, 08:22 PM #90
Glademaster you should live in a bubble
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01-11-2020, 08:26 PM #91
Preliminary report on CAIC says buried surface hoar was the weak layer on which the slab failed.
https://avalanche.state.co.us/caic/a...=731&accfm=repWe're not happy 'til you're not happy.
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01-11-2020, 08:50 PM #92
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01-11-2020, 10:29 PM #93
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01-11-2020, 10:41 PM #94
Just curious, do you have another method in mind for moving that snow? Nothing is ideal, obviously, but I can't think of anything that would be less likely to crush an air pocket while moving that snow. Spreading the load on the tracks, minimum surface pressure and, of course, speed kind of limits the options, but I'm not sure what you'd rather have on hand.
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01-11-2020, 11:03 PM #95
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01-12-2020, 12:49 AM #96
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01-12-2020, 08:39 AM #97
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01-12-2020, 08:44 AM #98
It always bugs the shit out of me when people value human life by their profession.
It is a dead young woman. It is a fatality.
You were a firefighter, you were pregnant, you were on patrol, you just got your shit together, you are in the army, you were mother teresa, ghandi.
You died. You are a human. We all are.
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01-12-2020, 12:19 PM #99
The circumstances for all involved are horrendous and any loss of life is tragic.
Vibes to the friends and loved ones that did not survive. Grateful that the warrior who was wielding these battle axes is still with us.
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01-12-2020, 12:58 PM #100glocal
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Not always. And not every resort runs a bomb trolley over sketch slopes. There could be a convex under the snow that doesn't show with a bombhole right next to it that doesn't break until a skier's weight is on it in just the right place. Just like 200 skiers could have skied the slope and tracked the fuck out of it before it decided to break. There aren't any guarantees that bombing will do it and even if patrol knows where they should bomb based on the windload, the wind could have shifted during the night to load another aspect.
I've had patrol buddies get buried after we bombed the shit out of a slope and then went in to ski cut it as a double precaution. I was once sent to ski cut a big bowl that had about seven feet of fresh and had been bombed all the way across the top as far down as a hand charge could be thrown. I cut it back and forth, then skied out and stopped at the bottom to look back up, only to hear what sounded like a stick of dynamite, watched it crack across the top, and the snow under my skis dropped a foot as it all settled in one big whumph! With no way out and standing in a terrain trap, I was pretty certain they would find me in the spring 50 feet deep as I almost shit myself. These things happen.
I think most people consider Recco a body retrieval tool due to it's bulkiness over transceivers . But I think I heard of someone in Europe being found alive with one, probably because first on scene in the Alps is often a heli that can do Recco recon.
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