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Thread: Unicorn touring ski
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01-05-2020, 08:17 AM #51
I sold all my touring gear last summer. Couldn't keep up with the Jones and it was all getting dated anyways, and hadn't used it in a while.
If I started over, I'd get a 100mm waisted ski with decent tip and tail rocker, camber under foot, and Fritschi Tectons (with a spare toe in case of failure en-route).
And probably start going to the gym again. I'm slightly tall and 215 lbs dry, hence the 100mm waist ski. If I was actually fit, I'd settle at 95mm and reap the slightly
lighter setup rewards. Small JONGS might even want to consider 85mm. For small, lightish JONGS (< 155 lbs), I'd say that 85mm is a perfectly reasonable width unless
high always expected BLOWER INDEX LEVEL.
Nothing worse than side-hilling a 100mm ski, with a 25lb to 30 lb pack, for 11+ kms per day,
only to discover that the float that 100mm provides is not nearly enough to keep skier + pack,
afloat. If it is really about 'the down' then go 112mm or wider in powder.or hire a skidoo.
What use is any UNICORN SKI if the weight of the gear is going to leave
said ATHLETE exhausted by the time they get to the cabin, or get to the saddle,
to bag a peak and do an actual fun run or two?
Better to take a skinny ski and actually learn to ski powder (dolphin, bounce or whatever) than a fat ski and
suffer lifting that beast with every step.
I don't tour anymore, so take that all with a grain of salt.OH, MY GAWD! ―John Hillerman Big Billie Eilish fan.
But that's a quibble to what PG posted (at first, anyway, I haven't read his latest book) ―jono
we are not arguing about ski boots or fashionable clothing or spageheti O's which mean nothing in the grand scheme ― XXX-er
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01-05-2020, 08:22 AM #52Registered User
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01-05-2020, 08:41 AM #53Registered User
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I think that is another “know thyself” question and answer. I chose the Vision 98 as my lightest, narrowest touring ski as part of a three ski touring quiver. I like it because I’m used to skis with mount points of -3 to -6cm from true center, flat or minimal camber, and soft to medium flexing tip and tails. I’m 5’10” 145 lbs. If you are looking for a ski with those attributes, then I think the Vision 98 would work well for you.
The rocker profile on that Down ski looks awesome. What would the mount point be from true center?
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01-05-2020, 08:57 AM #54OH, MY GAWD! ―John Hillerman Big Billie Eilish fan.
But that's a quibble to what PG posted (at first, anyway, I haven't read his latest book) ―jono
we are not arguing about ski boots or fashionable clothing or spageheti O's which mean nothing in the grand scheme ― XXX-er
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01-05-2020, 06:44 PM #55
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01-05-2020, 06:54 PM #56
Weeeeell, it is a bit heavy at 3.2 lbs per ski.
But I'd say 100mm is a target and honestly the extra 4mm isn't going to be a deal breaker.
It isn't a spring tour ski, but those dimensions would hit the spot pretty well for any PNW off-piste/backcountry.
With that nice rocker and almost flat base, it would ski well,
even with a hot coffee in one hand.
May The Schwarztor be with you.OH, MY GAWD! ―John Hillerman Big Billie Eilish fan.
But that's a quibble to what PG posted (at first, anyway, I haven't read his latest book) ―jono
we are not arguing about ski boots or fashionable clothing or spageheti O's which mean nothing in the grand scheme ― XXX-er
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01-08-2020, 07:40 AM #57
Been digging around for a new pair of everyday soft snow touring skis for the with a modern shape and came up with a list of possible suspects. Trying to keep it 95-100 in the waist and under 1500gr for a 178 length, medium flex, reasonable price (~$500)
Dynastar Mythic 97 - Been on these for 3 seasons and love them. Peter Glenn has the 177s for $499 right now
Beast 98 - It was on the short list, i was trying to stay under 1500grams though
Volkl VTA 98 - Just ordered a pair
2020 Camox Freebird - rocker still seems pretty traditional?
2020 K2 Wayback 96 - ditto, but there seems to be a be good reviews out there. The 106 has a nice long rocker on it.
Fischer Hannibal - Loved my 100s, would buy again
DPS - The tour build up seemed pretty soft and $$$
Movement - $$$
Voile V6 - Had the V8, thought it was ok, didn't like the tail and the soft flex and skied short. I had a pair of Vectors a long time ago too.
G3 Seekr - Hard to find info, lot of dough for a Chinese ski
Kastle TX98 - Would buy a pair if I find a deal on the 178s. Looks interestingWhen life gives you haters, make haterade.
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01-08-2020, 09:05 AM #58
^ the TX98 looks veeery similar in dimensions to the 179 Carbon Bro’s I used to have but broke one of. that ski was perfect for everyday soft snow skiing. Kaestle is just expensive
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01-27-2020, 08:31 AM #59
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I've been on these exclusively this year.
I was looking for a light weight version on the Devastator (power steering, mank eating, pivot machines) but was concerned with the lack of tip width in the Raven. These are the narrowest skis I've used in years but, since I live in NM, not Japow, I realized the majority of bc days are not in 3' of blower so I gave them a shot. 4FRNT's "try for three days guaranty" helped ease the worry.
I've been blown away by the performance. I've had them in knee deep fresh and shin deep sticky, sierra-style, inbounds, cut up mank and they have amazed me. While not quite the crud destroying power of the Devis, they are are far closer than they have any right to be.
Definitely punch above their weight class.
At 1700 grams, perhaps a little heavier than the OP was looking for but well worth it for the strength in variable, i.e. most real backcountry, conditions.
Maybe not a full on Unicorn, but close.
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01-28-2020, 06:03 PM #60
How has the Dynastar Mythic not come up yet? Surely it has and I'm just not reading things right? Sounds like almost exactly what you want...
How about the movement Alptrack 100?Its not that I suck at spelling, its that I just don't care
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01-28-2020, 06:08 PM #61
^ neither are full rocker, afaik
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01-28-2020, 07:45 PM #62
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