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  1. #1
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    hooky skies - base bevel tricks

    i am playing around with a pair of blizzard 0G 108.
    how much do i need to bevel the base? is 1.5° enough.
    and shall i bevel 1.5° all the way? i like 1.5° and 87° on my gs skis on groomers but are afraid to loose controllability and firm snow in tight spaces, like jumpturns style.
    or will it be alright and i am overthinking the process.... could also be good

    what actually disturbed me most was the feel of the tail in less then a foot of fresh on hard base in steepish coloiur
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    I just do 1.5-2 at the tip and tail, a couple inches past the contact points. Underfoot mine are still 1 degrees. I do change the side edge bevel from 2 degrees to 1, though.

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    No one has ever over thot anything on TGR

    why dont you try dulling the tails instead of a whole fucking edge?

    I had an evil handling ski that would thro me into the trees

    so i ran a piece of emery cloth at 45degrees to the edge

    10cms made all the difference you could dull and try while on piste
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    What ^he said. Detune the taper sections with a file. Gummy detune to contacts points. Take a gummy with you on the hill and fine tune. Start there before messing with the bevels.

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    hooky skies - base bevel tricks

    Came here for some hooky skies. Leaving disappointed.

    But....1 and 1. You’ll be good to go

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    A hooky sky happens when you awake, see a blue sky, call in work as sick and play hooky?

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    1.5 base bevel? Yikes. Detune length of rocker tip and tail with a gummy stone.
    If it's still hooky, make sure you're boots aren't too loose, especially in width.
    If it's still a problem, learn to fucking ski.
    I'm like the anti-gnar and I haven't "cought an edge" in years.
    No longer stuck.

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    Zero G 108's are one of the least hooky skis I've used. I'd make sure the bases are flat. You might also think about binding ramp angle. Or maybe you just suck.

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    I tune my gs skis .5 base bevel and 3 on the side. Razor sharp to contact points. I don’t really catch edges. Other skis are 1 base 2 side.

    Are your bases flat? Skis sound railed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by t-the-east View Post
    Came here for some hooky skies. Leaving disappointed.

    But....1 and 1. You’ll be good to go
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    i started with factory last season
    first service to flat and I filed them to 0.5° and 88°
    just now got them back from the shop and got them serviced 0° and 88° and now i am thinking of how i start tuning them.
    Bases got a double stone grind and are very flat.

    they are my go to touring setup for all conditions and everything this winter.

    i thought i ask here before i start to file. i did not feel them not much catching in the front.
    i loved them on groomers and in slush and short turning pow.

    rather get the tune set right and not to think all the time of how and what to change....
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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    Zero G 108's are one of the least hooky skis I've used. I'd make sure the bases are flat. You might also think about binding ramp angle. Or maybe you just suck.

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    hmmm ramp angle, can u explan what i don´t understand in two or three sentences?
    my set from last season is with shifts????
    my new set unskied is with tectons???
    i am using a salomon mtn boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    1.5 base bevel? Yikes. Detune length of rocker tip and tail with a gummy stone.
    If it's still hooky, make sure you're boots aren't too loose, especially in width.
    If it's still a problem, learn to fucking ski.
    I'm like the anti-gnar and I haven't "cought an edge" in years.
    i am learning how to ski, i want all other factors eliminated so i can blame it all on the snow and my ex!
    my boots are really tight. i measure 106 in width in a 98 last with intuition powerwraps.

    would you blame catching an edge on to much base bevel???
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    Yikes^^^
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    Yikes indeed. If you are new to skiing, the last thing you should be fucking around with is your base bevels

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    Quote Originally Posted by nordekette View Post
    i am learning how to ski, i want all other factors eliminated so i can blame it all on the snow and my ex!
    my boots are really tight. i measure 106 in width in a 98 last with intuition powerwraps.

    would you blame catching an edge on to much base bevel???
    Yes
    90mm last plug boots are needed
    And a 5 degree base bevel
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    Dude, if you are learning to ski you do not want shit like 0.5 or 1.5 base bevel
    AS Core Shot said upthread, go 1/1, detune back to the contact points and call it good until you become proficient.

    And unless you really know what you are doing, I would have ski shops grinding your edges. Too much bevel and you lose a bunch of base to get it back where it should be.
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    I dont know, its not a piano .... I blindly went my skis with a file and took an indeterminate amount of edge off my tips / tail when presented with a similar performance issue.

    I am undeniably a hack, and I was prepared to burn the skis any way ... but rambling story short... you got this.
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    ok... i wanted to say i like my boots real tight! and yes i like them real tight.

    and it was a joke that i learn skiing as somebody told me here to learn how to ski and not overthink hairsplitting.
    and still i learn everyday i ski.
    but i will follow your advice and detune edges with a gummistone intead of playing around.
    and i know my self i will file them! i do have two pairs of the same ski so i can compare.
    regarding the ramp angle i am curios how the shift and tecton will ski different on direct compare.

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    Looks like GoPro on your helmet. Let’s see the rad POV footy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nordekette View Post
    i am learning how to ski, i want all other factors eliminated so i can blame it all on the snow and my ex!
    my boots are really tight. i measure 106 in width in a 98 last with intuition powerwraps.

    would you blame catching an edge on to much base bevel???
    If you're new to skiing on new skis, it's probably you and your technique. And make sure you have good innersoles in your boots. Custom, if possible.

    Or just keep blaming your ex. Whatever lol.
    No longer stuck.

    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    Just an uneducated guess.

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    Also, I posted some questions re how my skis were performing with only .5 base bevel. It seems rockered skis really don't like such quick edges. The old standard of 1 is fine. 2 side if you want some bight.
    No longer stuck.

    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    Just an uneducated guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    One of my favorite ski vids ever. So awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiing-in-jackson View Post
    One of my favorite ski vids ever. So awesome.
    One of my many favorite lines in the Q&P video is where he mixes warm & cold weather wax and says it has to be right somewhere on the mountain.

    I think the group mis-read you and your abilities (due to language differences). Great photo and cutting a beautiful arc in a magnificent location.

    Quote Originally Posted by nordekette View Post
    ok... i wanted to say i like my boots real tight! and yes i like them real tight.

    and it was a joke that i learn skiing as somebody told me here to learn how to ski and not overthink hairsplitting.
    and still i learn everyday i ski.
    but i will follow your advice and detune edges with a gummistone intead of playing around.
    and i know my self i will file them! i do have two pairs of the same ski so i can compare.
    regarding the ramp angle i am curios how the shift and tecton will ski different on direct compare.

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