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Thread: Pivots for ISO 9523 Sole
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12-20-2019, 07:55 AM #1Registered User
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Pivots for ISO 9523 Sole
Really love Pivots but my boots have iso 9523 touring soles on them. Was trying to figure a way that I could ski pivots with these soles. Would swapping out the AFDs for an AFD that works with iso 9523 do the trick? Looks like CAST sells them? (see link below). Would this mess up ramp angle? Anyone have another trick up their sleeve or tried this?
https://casttouring.com/en-us/products/wtr-afd-pair/
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12-20-2019, 08:01 AM #2
The answer is unfortunately no. You need a sliding AFD with adjustable toe height to work with 9523 touring soles which the pivot doesn't have. That is WTR AFD not a true so 9523 touring AFD and is also not swappable to a standard pivot.
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12-20-2019, 08:04 AM #3
Those are WTR, which is not the same as ISO 9523. They might provide enough toe height, but the WTR sole has a smooth AFD pad. Look has never offered a toe that's compatible with 9523 soles (except the re-branded Dynafits) and is moving the other direction with the newer bindings (only Alpine and Gripwalk).
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Well technically gripwalk and walk to ride fall under the iso 9523 standard so it kinda depends if he has one of those or not. The cast afds only work with a cast toe piece, look sells wtr and gripwalk afds for the p18, you could maybe get away with the old dual style toe in the wtr position since the afd is a sliding one, but no shop would test that for you and take on the liability.
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12-20-2019, 08:23 AM #6
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12-20-2019, 08:24 AM #7Registered User
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So you shouldn't even be using CAST if you have a true iso 9523 sole? I have Salomon MTN Lab boots which I understood as iso 9523 soles (not wtr and not gripwalk) but now I'm not so sure
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12-20-2019, 09:30 AM #8
You are correct about "true" 9523 soles. They are not wtr and not gripwalk compatible if there's no smooth plastic area where the AFD is contacted.
Yes, CAST AFDs come in only 3 types: Alpine, WTR, and Gripwalk (assuming the still do WTR).
Of course, this is TGR, and kids do the darndest things around these parts ;-)
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12-20-2019, 11:20 AM #9
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12-20-2019, 01:09 PM #10Registered User
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So what alpine bindings are compatible with "true" iso 9523 soles? Or still open to "hacking" pivots to accept 9523 soles
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12-20-2019, 01:12 PM #11Registered User
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12-20-2019, 02:21 PM #12
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12-21-2019, 12:27 AM #14Registered User
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I have the old Pivot 14 (pre Dual/GW). Can the new Pivot 18 afd for GW be used with this binder as well or is there another solution?
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12-21-2019, 03:14 AM #15
The 14 plastic toe is very different from the 18 metal toe so no, you can't do that. However, you can get a pair of alpine/GW for the 14 toes as well - it's part no. FCHF004. It fits all of the P12/14, SPX & NX 'full action' toes. Your local Look/Rossi dealer can get them for you but if you get stuck I've got a couple of pairs left.
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12-21-2019, 03:31 AM #16Registered User
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12-24-2019, 05:25 PM #17
Pivots for ISO 9523 Sole
You can’t hack the pivot for the boot, unless you can retrofit a sliding AFD. You’d have to hack the boot sole instead, to remove or flatten the tread, so it would slide on the AFD.
You could maybe cut a chunk of boot sole off another boot, grind down the tread on the boot, apply some moldable epoxy and attach the toe sole plate with some screws. I think it’s doable.
If you try to ski a non sliding AFD with a treaded boot sole, the boot sole will grab the AFD and you will get wrecked.
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12-24-2019, 07:15 PM #18
To be fair, hundreds of pro patrollers and race coaches used touring soles with non-sliding AFD's for years, mostly Salomon 9xx and STH models, and not all of them got wrecked. Just try not to fall with your weight forward expecting a consistent lateral release. There is a WTR AFD for the Pivot 18 (if you can find one) that will get you the required toe height but it still doesn't slide - no shop will say it's OK with an ISO 9523 sole but some people may be willing to roll the dice.
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12-24-2019, 07:24 PM #19
Okay. I stand corrected. Go ahead and do it. Maybe you won’t get wrecked.
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12-24-2019, 09:26 PM #20
I have some sliding AFDs that will go on Pivot 14s, if that what you want.
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12-26-2019, 01:50 PM #21Registered User
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12-30-2019, 09:09 AM #24
If you have single pivot toe (15/18) just jam the boot in there and crank the forward pressure. Will it release smoothly and consistently? Nope. Will it ski ok? Yup.
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10-07-2020, 04:32 PM #25
Reviving this thread in time for CAST season.
I'm trying to not buy a hybrid boot just so I can tour with CASTs.*
Seeking your best non-invasive hacks for making the front of the sole of an ISO 9523 boot slidy like the sole plate of an ISO 5355 boot.
I have Salomon S/Lab MTNs and WTR AFDs.
My first possibly stupid idea is food grade silicone spray (supposedly good for rubber) applied carefully when I transition.
Thanks.
*Yeah, I realize the price of another pair of boots is a lot cheaper than knee surgery and being laid up in bed, etc. etc.
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