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12-21-2019, 06:33 PM #201Registered User
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On the first, that's in part dependent on the land ownership, lease terms, and I would assume the regulations and policies of the local Forest. In the case of the area I skied at in Montana (Red Lodge), there is now an easement across the privately held base area for uphill access into the publicly owned areas of the ski area (which are operated by a private entity under legal agreements with the USFS and BLM). As I understand (based largely on a brief conversation with local USFS employees who were involved in administration of the area agreement), the area can limit access for safety reasons, such as avy control work or conflict with the primary (permitted) use, so access is allowed only outside of lift operating hours and not on days where control work or other operating require a closure.
On the second, 100%. I have done it, albeit after skinning for the first run, and yuck. It's not what pin bindings are good at.
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12-21-2019, 07:25 PM #202
I don't think many folks would have a problem with people skinning at times when paying lift served skiers can't ride the lifts either. Still would be nice to make sure the preferred paying customers and resort employees get prime parking during operating hours and maybe 30 minutes before the lifts spin.
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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12-21-2019, 07:37 PM #203
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12-21-2019, 07:38 PM #204Banned
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This thread is a perfect example of a non-issue being turned into a divisive conflagration by artificial intelligence.
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12-21-2019, 07:42 PM #205
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12-21-2019, 07:44 PM #206
Shuttle buses? Lockers to leave their gear at the base all the time? Worth it! When I worked at a ski hill there was an upper lot right next to the snow emplyees used, Had a ways to walk but could also just click and ski down to the base.
As for the free poaching of high dollar resort property and legal loopholes that make it somehow allowable.. Let's get a posse of folks to go skin and poach Yellowstone Club! That would be freaking ....... "Epic!"Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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12-21-2019, 07:54 PM #207Banned
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Come on, this topic reeks of that bullshit, just look at how it's popped up all over the Internet recently.
Beyond that observation, I've said my piece on the subject.
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12-21-2019, 09:09 PM #208
I just watched the forum video on MRTV and liked your comments about powder day slayage and dogs. Surprised it took so long to curtail it. I lol this fall when someone on the NEBC FB page [I think this was the one] from Quebec was looking for recs about cheap lodging for a weekend group and someone said "stay at the Starks Nest patrol shack", like that is on airbnb.
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12-23-2019, 11:27 AM #209
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01-12-2020, 01:22 PM #210
https://m.facebook.com/daniel.liebl....6226685961362/
A fight between a night pistesinner and a cat driver.
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01-12-2020, 04:24 PM #211
who won?
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01-12-2020, 04:25 PM #212
Ha ha ha
Weren’t there people in this very thread saying skinning in bounds in Europe isn’t an issue because their culture is so different then N. America. Ha ha ha
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01-12-2020, 05:46 PM #213
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01-12-2020, 05:54 PM #214Registered User
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Privilege even on public lands (like national forests). I see nothing wrong with having to pay a little bit of cash to have access to a ski area...
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01-12-2020, 11:02 PM #215
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01-13-2020, 12:09 AM #216
Who said that? We have plenty of self righteous morons over here. The ski rage is fairly well known here. But this is the first time that I have seen tour rage.
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01-13-2020, 03:41 AM #217Registered User
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Well they did the one thing that is contentious, skiing at night when work is going on, in an area where work means using cables. It's not the first time there's been a run in at that resort. There have also been accidents and injuries to skiers running into cables there.
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01-13-2020, 04:34 AM #218"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
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01-13-2020, 07:27 AM #219Let's get a posse of folks to go skin and poach Yellowstone Club! That would be freaking ....... "Epic!"
However if you are a member you can skin anytime, day or night.I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
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01-22-2020, 12:19 PM #220
I red in the local press there was a discussion about pistsinning. Local goverment / authorities / alpine club / lift owners : )
They dont want to charge pistesinners because then they would be responible for them. Like a dutch/texan tourist crashes in a pistesinner who pays for uphill touring..... ohhh thats a law case ohhhh i hear already the press!!! safety nets !!! Uphill slopes!!!
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01-22-2020, 12:32 PM #221
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01-22-2020, 01:53 PM #222
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01-23-2020, 05:23 PM #223
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01-23-2020, 07:22 PM #224Registered User
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I am not a lawyer either, but I think that by getting someone to purchase an uphill pass and sign the agreement, you can get that individual to agree to a 2+ page list of legalese that assigns all liability to the skinner and covers the resorts ass. just like how apple can make you into a human centipede, as a result of you agreeing to the terms and conditions of your iphone software update. whereas, (and remember I'm not a lawyer, just someone drinking an IPA), if they allow people to go up the damn hill for free without registration or signing anything, they're subject to liability for knowingly letting people go up the hill and doing something inherently risky, and the skinner themselves legally wasn't warned by the resort that they skin at their own risk.
if a skinner kills a texan doctor or vice versa, it's between those two and their insurance companies. get yourself a PLUP, protect dem assets.
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01-23-2020, 08:40 PM #225
I play a lawyer in real life. There is no simple answer. Premises liability varies from state to state, a matter of state common and/or statutory law, usually modified by statute and/or an additional layer of common law in states with downhill ski operations. Generally, the law in most (maybe all?) states distinguish between the scope of duty owed by the landowner (or, usually in the case of a western ski resort, lessee/proprietor) to an invitee vs. a licensee. An invitee is a person who enters and uses the property for the benefit of the proprietor. A licensee is a person who enters the land with permission, but not for the benefit of the proprietor. A skier who buys a lift ticket is an example of an invitee. A person skinning without paying any consideration is likely a licensee under the laws of most states. As a general rule, a proprietor owes a higher duty to an invitee than to a licensee. For example, in some states a proprietor may owe the duty of a reasonable person (negligence duty standard) to an invitee, but is liable to a licensee only for wilful misconduct or gross negligence or some other higher-than-simple-negligence standard.
Under the law of most (but maybe not all) states, if a ski area proprietor charges for a dirtbag hippie to skin up the hill, such dirtbag hippie metamorphoses from a licensee into an invitee, and thus the operator owes him or her a higher duty (typically simple negligence "reasonable person" duty -- see above).
OTOH, charging a fee might present the opportunity to get a signed waiver of liability BUT such written waivers are not necessarily enforceable as written and are subject to attack on various grounds (e.g., contract of adhesion, against public policy). Most states with lift ski operations have laws -- some more developed than others -- re ski area liability, written waivers, etc.
Add to the above the possibility that the area may be operating on federal land or state land pursuant to a lease or special use permit, which may or may not bear upon the proprietor's scope of duty.
Did I mention there is no simple answer?
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