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    Quote Originally Posted by riff View Post
    What holds the climber flap in place on helio 180’s/trofeos?
    Do they have a tiny magnet like the 200’s, or just a detent or friction fit?
    The "high riser" fits semi-snugly between the pins in regular climbing mode, so kind of a friction fit. It's easy enough in my experience to lift up with a ski pole, but mine have stayed in place so far. There's nothing holding the flap down in the 180ļ "high riser" mode, but I have not used that yet so can't speak to how it stays put.

    I've not generally had a problem with any of the race-style flaps moving out of place on me though on the Trabs, Plums, ATKs, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan S. View Post
    That spacer is designed to click into the Core binding.
    Maybe you could jerry rig a mounting system somehow, but the height might still be too thick for the 180.
    I know they make a couple different models of spacer, but I thought the "universal" one could be incorporated into most bindings? Maybe it's just too thick.

    Interested in this idea also if it turns out you can fit one.

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    Thanks guys, Iím curious because after a couple of seasons, 2/3 of my MTN bindings have loose flippy lifters that move when i walk- Iím interested in going to the helios, but i was hoping something besides friction was holding that lifter.


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    opinions on bd helios bindings

    ^ as in they expose the pins and you step into ski mode while touring? that sounds annoying af, though I havenít had that with any heel flaps Iíve used. can you tighten the screw?

    if you REALLY donít want that to happen get Plums, the fuckers are nearly impossible to lift up without your glove (friction based). The Trabs have some sort of spring loading snapping mechanism which is the most well-engineered feeling. My ATKs are the 2nd nicest to use after the trabs... they have loosened a bit after 120kí+ or so, but thatís mostly in the screw, the friction mechanism is fine, and they arenít so welded in there that I need to bend down and use my hand, which is nice imo (I like to lift the flaps with my pole handle, step in, then fiddle with my boots and rip skins etc). I do worry a little because it seems like re-tightening the screw will be next to impossible but so far so good...

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    also see the official ATK thread for pics of the heel riser modes, for those who have asked

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    Quote Originally Posted by mall walker View Post
    also see the official ATK thread for pics of the heel riser modes, for those who have asked
    I put a link to this thread on the first post of the ATK thread, since it's likely both threads will see overlapping action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleaches View Post
    I know they make a couple different models of spacer, but I thought the "universal" one could be incorporated into most bindings? Maybe it's just too thick.

    Interested in this idea also if it turns out you can fit one.
    Whoops, I'm sorry, you're right on that -- my fault for texting quickly from the skintrack.

    So the ATK AL05 requires a min 14.5mm gap.
    Measuring my Alien 3.0 in a 145/180/Trofeo w/o plate = 11mm. Tried an old TLT5 out of curiosity and got 8mm.
    Add 5.5 for the adjustment plate, and depending on the particular boot's rocker, rubber thickness, heel insert position, etc. ... the spacer might fit -- or might not!
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    itís just friction on the Helio bindings. Iíve skied the Helio 200 and one of the lifters on the heel flipped around constantly. I kept stepping into the heel piece while touring and had to flip the heel around. The rise still flipped around but at least I just went from elevated to flat instead of clicking in. Some of the ATK models use a magnet to keep that from happening.


    Quote Originally Posted by riff View Post
    Thanks guys, Iím curious because after a couple of seasons, 2/3 of my MTN bindings have loose flippy lifters that move when i walk- Iím interested in going to the helios, but i was hoping something besides friction was holding that lifter.


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    The tightness of the pivot for the heel flap on the 110 and 145/180 can be adjusted with an easily accessible torx-head bolt.
    So if a flap is flipping up during skinning, just tighten up the bolt a bit.

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    This is good news.


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    My first foray into flippy twisty pin bindings with the Alpinist. Really like how it skis for a pin binding, but not super impressed with the fiddle factor of having to twist the heel to go between ski/med and flat/high settings. The risers are a bit tricky to flip with a ski pole too.

    Yes, race mode works pretty well assuming you have a decent range of motion in your angle/boot. However, coming off the Tecton, with a heavy bulky alpine heel, I have to give the nod in "tourability" to that binding which surprised me (weight not withstanding). Should be able to rip skins without removing skis or having to reach down with much effort to turn the heel by hand.

    Even my old dynafit Verts were easier to work with in terms of heel rotation. IMO, a touring binding should be functional without having to remove the ski or reach down with your hand. Everything should be accessible from your pole. Yet all these new gen bindings don't work this way. What am I missing?

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    Agreed. Still haven't found anything to match my old verticals in functionality

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    Salomon MTN for fully pole based transitions.
    I think to go any lighter than that, the utter simplicity takes some adaptations of your technique. I canít rip skins with a pole yet, so I lift my foot, rotate the heel, switch boots into ski mode, slide my hand back to the tail clip of the skins. This the raw limit of my flexibility of course but it feels good and works fast. As for needing rotation by hand for individual riser height, thatís certainly not ideal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada29er View Post
    My first foray into flippy twisty pin bindings with the Alpinist. Really like how it skis for a pin binding, but not super impressed with the fiddle factor of having to twist the heel to go between ski/med and flat/high settings. The risers are a bit tricky to flip with a ski pole too.

    Yes, race mode works pretty well assuming you have a decent range of motion in your angle/boot. However, coming off the Tecton, with a heavy bulky alpine heel, I have to give the nod in "tourability" to that binding which surprised me (weight not withstanding). Should be able to rip skins without removing skis or having to reach down with much effort to turn the heel by hand.

    Even my old dynafit Verts were easier to work with in terms of heel rotation. IMO, a touring binding should be functional without having to remove the ski or reach down with your hand. Everything should be accessible from your pole. Yet all these new gen bindings don't work this way. What am I missing?
    I love my Vipec Blacks, and yes, the forced choice with the Helio 200s is a bit of a nuisance (spin for flat/med-high vs. race style), but you still have to reach down to transition between ski and tour mode on Vipecs and Tectons.

    It sounds as if you want the Raider 12s/R12s (or their "14" equivalents) with the double flippys - that, or Plum Guides based on your comments about Verticals.

    All 3 choices (including Vipec/Tecton) are good ones, with slightly different operational features.

    I have to say however, that the 400g per ski weight savings of the Helio 200/180 is very, very nice.

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    ^ yeah with the ATKs you only pay the bend-over price switching to/from flat mode, which for me is typically 0-1 times per tour.

    it is annoying if you have to do a lot of to/from flat mode though, depending on where you normally go I could see that changing my daily driver binding choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mall walker View Post
    ^ yeah with the ATKs you only pay the bend-over price switching to/from flat mode, which for me is typically 0-1 times per tour.

    it is annoying if you have to do a lot of to/from flat mode though, depending on where you normally go I could see that changing my daily driver binding choice.
    Yeah, I've found myself doing the 180 at the beginning (pins rearward), since that medium-high flippy position isn't all that high, and if I find myself having to drop over a log, I flip into flat mode so I don't stress the flippy. This may not matter, since the flippy seems to sit on the pins when the pins are forward, but just barely.

    In any event, the only reverso I have to do then is when ripping skins.

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    yeah the reason the 145 can weigh 145 is that they stripped off luxuries like being able to rotate with a pole. decide what is more important to you and proceed from there. personally the inconvenience of bending down a couple times a day is worth the benefit that a significant weight saving gives me over thousands of strides per day.

    I have a hard time reaching straight down to do the twist, much easier to push the ski to be adjusted forward and kneel down on the back leg.

    But, Iíve also come to appreciate the reminder that I need to maintain my flexibility as I get old.

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