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Thread: Duke PT hole pattern?
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08-09-2020, 02:26 PM #26
Duke PT hole pattern?
Sorry, by saying “all his GS skis” I didn’t mean since his beginning with Atomic. I meant once he started mounting Markers on his Atomic GS skis, he only skied Markers in GS.
So yes, we are saying the same thing. 2014 was the earliest I saw him on Markers, and all the way though to his retirement in 2019.Last edited by Dee Hubbs; 08-09-2020 at 06:48 PM.
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08-09-2020, 08:34 PM #27
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08-09-2020, 08:49 PM #28
Hmmm. Quick look at his Insta and all I see is Shifts!
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08-10-2020, 10:20 AM #29
Yep, the L45mm x L38mm Duke PT toe pattern is the same as the Kingpins but the toe on the Kingpin is a lot further back on the ski for the same boot sole length - but it's so far back that the rear PT toe locations can reuse the front toe Kingpin locations and for the same bsl you'll be mounted at +4mm.
The Kingpin heel pattern is L77mm x W36mm compared to the PT/Jester L80mm x W32mm heel and for the same bsl the PT heel locations will clash with that of the Kingpin but there's so much heel length adjustment on the PT that it's a doddle to offset the PT heel and then move the upper heel back in to the correct position on its track.
PT versus Shift: The PT toe locations are well away from that of the Shift. For the same bsl the PT heel will clash with Shift heel mounts but again there's so much heel length adjustment on the PT to allow the PT heel to be offset and then move the upper heel back in to the correct position on its track.
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08-16-2020, 07:58 AM #30
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08-17-2020, 06:20 AM #31
Last edited by Spyderjon; 08-17-2020 at 10:25 AM.
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08-17-2020, 07:36 AM #32
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09-15-2020, 05:17 PM #33
Bump:
Spyderjon, if I’m reading this right, I can use a kingpin jig to mount the PT if I bump the toe forward 42mm after drilling the heels, correct? We’re not carrying the PT this year and I don’t want to buy a jig for the three or four PT mounts we’ll inevitably have.
That’s a big bump forward but makes sense since the heel isn’t sliding out of the way.
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09-16-2020, 10:25 AM #34
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09-16-2020, 12:24 PM #35
Yep, shit, my bad. So drill Griffon heels, spot kingpin jig, move toes up 42mm. Right?
I can already see I’m gonna have one instructor, one patroller, and one liftie that pick these up on pro form, but my largely geriatric clientele isn’t likely to pick up on these enough to justify buying a jig just yet.
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09-17-2020, 10:34 AM #36
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09-17-2020, 10:46 AM #37
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09-17-2020, 11:24 AM #38
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09-17-2020, 12:08 PM #39
Jon? We haven't received our Duke PT jig yet, or at least we can't find it with all the smoke . . .
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09-17-2020, 04:12 PM #40
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09-17-2020, 04:14 PM #41
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09-17-2020, 06:18 PM #42
I’d rather have a formula and be just be drilling through a jig than wasting time with a paper template. Thanks for the offer though.
I just like having something I can write in the margins of the tech manual so everyone at both our shops has a simple way to get the job done correctly and quickly.
I think HAB’s equation is right, but I think the 46mm spacing between holes is correct, not 47. Meaning Duke PT toe holes are 50mm in front of Kingpin with the same hole pattern. If anyone can confirm that would be swell.
Honestly, the more reviews I see, the more interested I am in the design. It’s not for everyone, but certainly appears more solid than a shift, with an easier user interface. Not everybody wants bindings that come apart, and for good reason, but it looks to me to be a good option for the niche it serves.
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09-17-2020, 08:14 PM #43
I didn't fact check the hole spacing. If it's wrong, I blame Greg. Basic arithmetic is really all I can bring to the table.
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09-17-2020, 08:18 PM #44
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09-18-2020, 12:26 PM #45
ZomblibulaX is correct, Knut Pohl's PDF says 46mm.
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10-23-2020, 09:40 AM #46Minion
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10-23-2020, 03:28 PM #47
To answer fully I'd need to know the following:
1. Is the Baron the older (narrower) model or the later & wider EPF model?
2. Is the Baron the small or large length?
3. What boot sole length was the Baron mounted for?
4. What boot sole length is the PT being mounted for (if different to 3)?
If you bought the skis/bindings used and so don't know the answer to no.3 then you need to state the position of the centre of the middle mounting screw (the one just behind the ski/tour lever) relative to the mounting line on the ski, ie 10mm forward (towards the ski tip) of the line or 5mm behind (toward the tail) the line.
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11-02-2020, 07:27 AM #48Minion
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Can someone provide me a pdf template for the duke pt and bsl 305mm? Maybe you, Spyderjon? Unfortunatly i can't send private messages (yet?).
Update: PT is mounted with a front part of a Kingpin paper template. Tried to attach it to a rear part of a jester template, add 50mm to the front part and attach the hole thing to the existing Jester holes but this didn't work, the position was wrong. I then placed the rear hole marks in the middle of the old Jester front holes and marked the center line of the ski to the paper template. Position is perfect on both skis now. Thx for the helping me with the information in this thread.Last edited by rockbert09; 11-13-2020 at 03:13 AM.
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12-02-2020, 12:52 PM #49Minion
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Any insights if Duke PT holes will interfer with a ski that I have mounted with a Look SPX. Not so keen in getting the binding off the boot sole mark so before getting the SPX binding off it would be great to know.
Big thanks on forehand.
Cheers,
Carl
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12-15-2020, 10:45 AM #50Minion
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Since I found this thread some time ago as I considered a swap... My tech was able to swap my Griffon 13 IDs to Duke PT 12s and retain boot position. Rear holes were reused. New had enough distance to drill new for fronts. Shifts / jig were also tested but holes were too close and would have required moving slightly forward or backward to get enough distance for safe mounting. It is a rather solid binding, and for my size and use there was no need to push to the heavier 16.
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