Page 9 of 10 FirstFirst ... 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 LastLast
Results 201 to 225 of 240
  1. #201
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Truckee, Ca
    Posts
    291
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    This thread scares me, I'm not looking forward to bike shopping anytime soon. Not sure responsive bikes exist anymore, it's all about stability.
    The used 27.5 market is your oyster. Think Evil Calling.
    Snowmobiling is not a crime.

  2. #202
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Treading Water
    Posts
    4,685
    Go demo a bike. Itís an urban legend that new bikes arenít responsive. New bikes do everything better than old bikes.


    Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums
    Lots of Cream, Lots of Sugar

  3. #203
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Down In A Hole, Up in the Sky
    Posts
    25,951
    Seriously. My 100/130 bike handles WAY better than my DH/FR bikes from 2005-2010.
    There are a few instances where the triple crown could produce a slack head angle that was preferable, but on *most* local rides, I am faster on the new small bike.
    StokePimpin' ain't easy

  4. #204
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Carbondale
    Posts
    10,577
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    This thread scares me, I'm not looking forward to bike shopping anytime soon. Not sure responsive bikes exist anymore, it's all about stability.
    Responsiveness, in endurbro terms is now called twitchiness.

  5. #205
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    8530' MST/200' EST
    Posts
    2,636
    Evil Chamois hagar. lots of hate around the office for it, but hot damn looks like a fun ass party/play/gravel adventure rig
    "If we can't bring the mountain to the party, let's bring the PARTY to the MOUNTAIN!"

  6. #206
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Central VT
    Posts
    4,152
    Quote Originally Posted by Phall View Post
    Evil Chamois hagar. lots of hate around the office for it, but hot damn looks like a fun ass XC hardtail
    Fixed it for ya.

  7. #207
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    8530' MST/200' EST
    Posts
    2,636
    My thoughts are that they went to make an XC hardtail, but the mold got fucked up, and they were able to tweak the mold and get this, which works.

    But yes, basically a hardtail with drop bars. Sat on one today and the geo is hard to wrap your head around. We got a L and M demo, I'll get a ride on one soon.
    "If we can't bring the mountain to the party, let's bring the PARTY to the MOUNTAIN!"

  8. #208
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Shadynasty's Jazz Club
    Posts
    8,401
    Hell, there aren't any XC hardtails that are that low and slack.
    Remind me. We'll send him a red cap and a Speedo.

  9. #209
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Central VT
    Posts
    4,152
    The Evil looks cool and but why not market it as a "build it any way you want" frame? Besides the low BB, it could be a gravel, XC, trail, bike packing or just a do all adventure rig. Just seems odd they pigeonholed it as an gravel bike when the geo is suited for more applications.

  10. #210
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Shadynasty's Jazz Club
    Posts
    8,401
    Quote Originally Posted by HankScorpio View Post
    The Evil looks cool and but why not market it as a "build it any way you want" frame? Besides the low BB, it could be a gravel, XC, trail, bike packing or just a do all adventure rig. Just seems odd they pigeonholed it as an gravel bike when the geo is suited for more applications.
    Cause GravelTM
    Remind me. We'll send him a red cap and a Speedo.

  11. #211
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Central VT
    Posts
    4,152
    Quote Originally Posted by bagtagley View Post
    Cause GravelTM
    Ahh fuck, you're right.

  12. #212
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Eugenio Oregůn
    Posts
    7,190
    Seems like itís the hottest growing market segment right now! My guess mostly because itís been overlooked for years by manufacturers - despite the fact so many towns have miles of scenic gravel roads ... all I hear about from friends about their newest or next bikes is gravel. I never looked too closely at geo differences between so called gravel grinders vs cross bikes with larger clearance - anyone care to fill me in? My guess is that gravel grinders are more upright and slightly slacker head angles?
    _______________________________________________
    "Strapping myself to a sitski built with 30lb of metal and fibreglass then trying to water ski in it sounds like a stupid idea to me.

    I'll be there."
    ... Andy Campbell

  13. #213
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    492
    Gravel bikes when compared to true cross bikes. Gravel has longer chain stays, lower bottom bracket and slightly slacker. Makes for a more comfortable and less twitchy ride.

    Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk

  14. #214
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    1,584
    Pivot just released their new Switchblade. Holy shit. I want.

  15. #215
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Aspen
    Posts
    7,835
    Quote Originally Posted by Kopi_Red View Post
    Pivot just released their new Switchblade. Holy shit. I want.
    I would too... if they went back to selling frame only.

  16. #216
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    554
    I don't get the hype about the Switchblade. OK, so it has DW-link, which I get that some people really like. But a 75.5 STA & 65.5 HTA on a 160 front 29er, in 2020? Not to mention "super boost 157" silliness and pressfit (come on, even Specialized is doing BSA).

  17. #217
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Land of Brine Shrimp and Magic Underwear
    Posts
    6,032

    2020 bikes that make your shorts tight

    Yeah, disappointed with the geometry on that one. Looks like a real nice bike but should have geo that matches the Firebird29, except with an even steeper seat tube. Happy to see the more progressive rate out back though. I can make my X2 work on my Firebird but barely. Iím only about 145lbs dry and Iím running six spacers and 15-20 over recommended pressure with a custom tune for more mid-stroke support. Feels great but I donít know how anyone bigger than me (most guys) makes it work. Wonder if the X2 is an option for the Swithchblade.
    There's nothing better than sliding down snow... flying through the air.

  18. #218
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Hell Track
    Posts
    9,048
    Quote Originally Posted by Andeh View Post
    I don't get the hype about the Switchblade. OK, so it has DW-link, which I get that some people really like. But a 75.5 STA & 65.5 HTA on a 160 front 29er, in 2020? Not to mention "super boost 157" silliness and pressfit (come on, even Specialized is doing BSA).
    This.

    And the old Switchblade had an oddly tall stack height which bothered me. Looks like they haven't changed that on the new one.

    It always seems like there's two competing camps in the engineering department at Pivot. There are the guys that want something with modern, progressive geometry. And there are the guys that want bikes that fit like their 1995 Hoo-Koo-E-Koo. The end result often seems to be a kind of weird hodge podge of angles.

  19. #219
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Magically whisked away to...Delaware
    Posts
    2,475
    Quote Originally Posted by beaterdit View Post
    Yeah, disappointed with the geometry on that one. Looks like a real nice bike but should have geo that matches the Firebird29, except with an even steeper seat tube. Happy to see the more progressive rate out back though.
    I'm conflicted on the SB. Based on numbers , it looks like a great "all day" trail bike. Nothing too radical, but progressive enough to ride nearly everywhere.

    BUT: I know Pivot gets a lot of flack for their prices, but in this case I think they deserve it....b/c it seems like there's a hundred great bikes in this niche....and lots of them cost thousands less. It would be tough to pony up $5500 (for essentially an SLX bike) or $5800 (for a GX) when I can get a Ripmo or Hightower for about $400 cheaper....and then you got your direct-to-consumer brands.

    I'm just not seeing any shorts tightening happening with this one...but I might feel differently if LBS gives me 20% off.
    It makes perfect sense...until you think about it.

    I suspect there's logic behind the madness, but I'm too dumb to see it.

  20. #220
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Shadynasty's Jazz Club
    Posts
    8,401
    Variety is the spice of life. There are aspects of the latest round of LLS that Iím not fully in favor of. Not a Pivot fan, but Iím glad that some companies are staying conservative.

    Boost is dumb. SuperBoost actually makes some sense but seems dumb cause Boost came first (sort of).
    Remind me. We'll send him a red cap and a Speedo.

  21. #221
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Hell Track
    Posts
    9,048
    ^^^ Agreed that it's good that not every company is jumping on the super long, super slack bandwagon. Those sort of bikes don't make sense for a lot of people / places.

    But Pivot's kinda splitting the difference. Relatively long reach numbers combined with not particularly steep seat tube angles just makes for a stretched out top tube. Climbing is less fun when your back hurts.

  22. #222
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Central VT
    Posts
    4,152
    Recently plunked down for a new Hightower frame and wouldíve considered the new SB if was out.

    I dug around for a frame only option but didnít see anything. Pivot must do just a frame?


    Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

  23. #223
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Aspen
    Posts
    7,835
    Quote Originally Posted by HankScorpio View Post

    I dug around for a frame only option but didnít see anything. Pivot must do just a frame?


    Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums
    Nope.

  24. #224
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Magically whisked away to...Delaware
    Posts
    2,475

    2020 bikes that make your shorts tight

    The ďreleaseĒ says frame only will be available later in the year.

    If I were to guess: Prolly after first batch of orders are filled, they.ll sell their ďmoduleĒ of frame, bb, and crank. So not ďframe only,Ē but sorta.


    Sent from my iPad using TGR Forums
    It makes perfect sense...until you think about it.

    I suspect there's logic behind the madness, but I'm too dumb to see it.

  25. #225
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Vancouver BC
    Posts
    2,867
    I think Pivot's argument is DW-Link stays higher in travel while pedaling, combined with the shock tune, so you don't need a 77-78 STA. Same argument Canyon makes with the Shapeshifter. I like the Firebird and Phoenix, and the Mach 5.5 was ahead of it's time as well, would be curious to ride the new Switchblade but Pivot's pricing is even more insane in Canada.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •