WASATCH STOKE, CONDITIONS, OBSERVATIONS and ASSORTED DRIVAL 19-20

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What was the cost of the cog rail line?

$630m electrified double track w/snow shed. $638k operation and maintenance. $660m for 2050 lifecycle cost
$432m single track w/diesel electric. Same O&M. $470m for 2050 lifecycle cost.

[raueda1]

They most certainly can keep people off the land.

"They can/can't do xxxxxx because of the USFS lease" is very rarely correct. The resorts do little to dispel these myths because, hey, easier to just let the FS be the bad guy.

A bit off topic but an interesting point. Same idea as climbing gyms blaming pesky rules on insurance. Nobody ever challenges it.

[Lone Star]

Ski Bus 2020-21:

....we will be operating Ski Bus “same as” last year – no extra service to accommodate perfect social distancing, but no less either. We will be stressing cleaning, masks, and general safety.

[SJG]

a tunnel between BCC and LCC is a great idea, because there is a surplus of parking on the one side.

[Dantheman]

a tunnel between BCC and LCC is a great idea, because there is a surplus of parking on the one side.

Excess road capacity, too! Sending LCC traffic through BCC during control work closures would go splendidly.

[altasnob]

$2.3 billion for bus tunnel ($13 million annual for operating and maintenance), $1.5 billion for rail tunnel ($10 million annual O & M), $650 million for gondola from Brighton to Alta ($5 to 6 million O & M).

To put that in perspective, in 2013, the actual system-wide O&M cost of UTA's bus and light rail service was $61.0 million -- $51.1 million for bus and $9.9 million for TRAX light rail. I thought smoking weed was illegal in Utah?

[muted]

smells like dead horse in here.

[Dantheman]

$2.3 billion for bus tunnel ($13 million annual for operating and maintenance), $1.5 billion for rail tunnel ($10 million annual O & M), $650 million for gondola from Brighton to Alta ($5 to 6 million O & M).

To put that in perspective, in 2013, the actual system-wide O&M cost of UTA's bus and light rail service was $61.0 million -- $51.1 million for bus and $9.9 million for TRAX light rail. I thought smoking weed was illegal in Utah?

More perspective: UDOT's entire annual budget is usually $1-1.5 billion.

[D-Roc]

Hopefully get to meet some of you Turkeys tonight.

Look for the Jong rocking the 'Tight Loose' hat and Crocs... yes Crocs, cus I rock dat foot foam...

[snowaddict91]

Hopefully get to meet some of you Turkeys tonight.

Look for the Jong rocking the 'Tight Loose' hat and Crocs... yes Crocs, cus I rock dat foot foam...

I'll be there with some IRL friends. I'll be wearing chacos if we are identifying people by footwear.

[skifishbum]

Chacotansmatter
The Bmc says right rear
Sonofotzil or otzilspawn
Doesn't ring off the tounge like icegrom
I and Mr toaster will be there with garden goods

[tgapp]

i'll have a face mask with a bunch of dicks on it.

before u get all homophobic aggro on me it benefited the utah harm reduction coalition

i'll also have a giant thermos of some bomb-ass cocktail (tbd). bring your own mug and i'll hook you up. wish i could bake/bring more to this shindig but i got fucked at work 2day, sorry folks

@bobmc - is this like a bring a lawn chair kind of affair? i just have a basic bitch subaru, no truck, can't sit in the back of it.

[BobMc]

Yes, bring lawn chairs. Pretty good turnout so far, one theater filled and theater 2 that we are in is filling up.

[Phall]

Front row center theatre 3


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[bigdude2468]

a tunnel between BCC and LCC is a great idea, because there is a surplus of parking on the one side.

What is the goal or benefit of having a tunnel between LCC & BCC? Is it just to allow visitors to ski the other canyon? I think I read that in 2019 UDOT's total budget was $2.3 billion.

[bigdude2468]

$2.3 billion for bus tunnel ($13 million annual for operating and maintenance), $1.5 billion for rail tunnel ($10 million annual O & M), $650 million for gondola from Brighton to Alta ($5 to 6 million O & M).

To put that in perspective, in 2013, the actual system-wide O&M cost of UTA's bus and light rail service was $61.0 million -- $51.1 million for bus and $9.9 million for TRAX light rail. I thought smoking weed was illegal in Utah?

Here are UTA's funding sources:

Local option sales tax - 70.9 percent
Federal funding - 13.1 percent
Fares - 11.2 percent
Investments - 3.1 percent
Advertising - 1.3 percent
Other .3 percent

If you assume that the operational costs of the proposed options would be similar to the current ones I suspect UTA will need additional funding just to operate the gondola, train, buses or whatever it is.

I will say it again... If UTA put a list together of transit improvements / projects and did a cost benefit analysis based on reducing pollution, congestion, improving quality of life etc the canyon projects would not be high on the list.

[skifishbum]

its the l9 swaptober
well be at southtowne mall all next week/end starting tues 9/29 -10/4 large tent sw corner
millcreek 10/7-11
ogden 10/14-18
downtown grainery 10/21 -25
and happy valley orem 10/27-31
taking gear consignments now
hiring in our warehouse and retail locations

[brutah]

its the l9 swaptober
well be at southtowne mall all next week/end starting tues 9/29 -10/4 large tent sw corner
millcreek 10/7-11
ogden 10/14-18
downtown grainery 10/21 -25
and happy valley orem 10/27-31
taking gear consignments now
hiring in our warehouse and retail locations

What's level 9s consignment cut?

[skifishbum]

35 65 i think
more if you do enough volume or want store credit instead of a check

[schindlerpiste]

In the meantime, today U of U announced that all in person classes have been cancelled and all learning until the middle of Oct. will be on-line only.
I think that his does not bode well for lifts turning. The stated reasoning is that there has been a recent spike in UT cases among younger people and that as the weather cools more people will be gathering inside.

[snowaddict91]

In the meantime, today U of U announced that all in person classes have been cancelled and all learning until the middle of Oct. will be on-line only.
I think that his does not bode well for lifts turning. The stated reasoning is that there has been a recent spike in UT cases among younger people and that as the weather cools more people will be gathering inside.

It sure is a good thing Snowbird abandoned their plan for access through Utah County.

[Mudfoot]

Look what just happened in Florida. Despite record numbers of cases and deaths the Governor just opened everything including bars with no restrictions. Based on the news clips tons of people immediately went out without masks and crowded like nothing was going on, which will obviously not end well. Too many people are stupid and once they open ski areas we'll undoubtedly see the same thing, just like with the college kids. Ski areas are all requiring "face coverings" but it is likely there will be many people with half-assed masks and no enforcement.

Based on extensive research I have not found a viable safe mask that is practically workable for pulling down for skiing and up for lift lines while keeping it dry. If the areas are open lots of people will be skiing, but from a virus perspective it is going to be sketchy at best in the lines and on the lifts. As much as I hate to say it I think the word for the season is "crap-shoot."

[jtran10]

In the meantime, today U of U announced that all in person classes have been cancelled and all learning until the middle of Oct. will be on-line only.
I think that his does not bode well for lifts turning. The stated reasoning is that there has been a recent spike in UT cases among younger people and that as the weather cools more people will be gathering inside.

thought the 2 week closure was planned leading up to the VP debate? they announced that in july or august

[whyturn]

Look what just happened in Florida. Despite record numbers of cases and deaths the Governor just opened everything including bars with no restrictions. Based on the news clips tons of people immediately went out without masks and crowded like nothing was going on, which will obviously not end well. Too many people are stupid and once they open ski areas we'll undoubtedly see the same thing, just like with the college kids. Ski areas are all requiring "face coverings" but it is likely there will be many people with half-assed masks and no enforcement.

Based on extensive research I have not found a viable safe mask that is practically workable for pulling down for skiing and up for lift lines while keeping it dry. If the areas are open lots of people will be skiing, but from a virus perspective it is going to be sketchy at best in the lines and on the lifts. As much as I hate to say it I think the word for the season is "crap-shoot."

I bought some of the outdoor research masks and have been impressed. Seems like it may work for skiing and they are quite comfortable


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[Todds]

its the l9 swaptober
well be at southtowne mall all next week/end starting tues 9/29 -10/4 large tent sw corner
millcreek 10/7-11
ogden 10/14-18
downtown grainery 10/21 -25
and happy valley orem 10/27-31
taking gear consignments now
hiring in our warehouse and retail locations

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