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    Review: 19/20 Dynastar Proto

    This will be a fairly extensive review. I plan on skiing on this ski for the entire 19/20 season. As we progress further in the season I will be updating this review with additional information.

    About me:
    • Age: 32
    • Weight: 190
    • Height: 6'0
    • Ski 'style:' Generally ski a fairly neutral stance, but I still can flex a boot when I want to. I still get inverted and spin sometimes & also like quick turn initiation, so I generally aim for a more center-ish mount - somewhere in-between recommended and true center, usually around 1.5-3.5cm forward of recommended. Some of this is because I do prefer my skis ~190cm. The times I have had skis shorter than this, I go much closer to the recommended line.
    • Preferred skis in the past: Blizzard Peacemaker, Blizzard Gunsmoke (what this ski is replacing), Scott Pure, Faction Candide 3.0, Dynastar Cham 107, Dynastar LPR, Black Diamond Zealot, Moment Garbones, Volkl Gotama & Shiro, Kastle MX108, Nordica Zero.
    • Meh skis in the past: Rossignol S7 (and all its derivatives), Blizzard Bonafides, Blizzard Cochise, Blizzard Spurs (1st gen), Armada JJs, Atomic Bentchetlers.
    • My intents and purposes: I plan on using these skis for fairly big days, but I will also probably use them for some backcountry skinning, maybe some bigger hut trips. In bounds skiing will probably be Steamboat, Winter Park, Big Sky, Snowbird, Crested Butte, Bridger, Jackson Hole, Taos. Right now I plan on mounting them about 1.5cm forward of recommended for my alpine setup, and then mount a telemark setup with the ball of my foot about 1cm back from the midpoint of the camber/parabolic shape.
    • Experience: I learned to ski in the midwest/ice growing up, but I also spent the majority of my time skiing in Colorado. I used to spend a lot of time in the park, and I still enjoy building kickers in the backcountry and the occasional lap through the park. I've competed on the Freeskiing World Tour as well as the Freeride World Qualifier. Much of my backcountry experience has been side-country stuff off of Loveland, Cameron, and Berthoud pass, resort access gates, as well as trips in the 10th mountain division huts.
    • Approach: I worked in a ski shop (the dark days) for 7+ years boot-fitting, working in the dungeon, product testing, and helping with the hardgoods buy. My previous job centered around telling people what skis to buy, so I think I approach ski reviews differently than most; much less "this ski is bad" "this ski is good." I take a much more objective approach to ski reviews and truly believe that a ski's fit has many factors to matching a skier. I think the ski industry blankets about 90% of the product out there with something along the lines of: "this 165cm, 115mm ski is a great all-mountain ski and you'll have a ton of fun on it regardless of your terrain, snow, weight, experience, or style!" I will take a much more specific, detailed approach than typical ski industry standards.



    The Skis:
    • Name: Dynastar Proto, Menace Factory, Proto Factory F-team - whatever the hell you want to call it; it's from Dynastar and it's a pretty interesting one given their past decade of making skis.
    • Length: Dynastar -- 189cm. Straight pull tip-to-tail -- 186.5cm
    • Cambered portion: From a quick eyeball, I would say about 70% of the ski is cambered, with maybe 5cm fudge room where the cambered section flattens out.
    • Parabolic shape: Slightly longer than the cambered portion of the ski (more on this below).
    • Stiffness: Underfoot -- 9, In front/behind boot -- 8, tips/tails -- 7. I don't have a ton of confidence on these numbers until I break the ski in.

    Initial thoughts and inspection (pre-mount, pre-skiing):
    Given the shape of these skis, they're stiffer than I anticipated. There's also a very good amount of camber. I measured the distance between the cambered contact points, as well as the the widest points of the tips & tails. I divided them both in half and they both line up at the same point on the ski. True center is ~2cm in front of that point.

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    Tip and tail profile don't look like they have a ton of splay.
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    One thing I noticed is that the widest point of the parabolic shape in both the tip and the tails extends for about 3-4cm in the tips, and 2-3cm in the tails, and they both extend outside the cambered portion of the ski - implying that these skis can be engaged on a longer running surface if you turn them over enough. That being said, I believe that these skis will actually feel and ski longer than skis of a similar fashion from other companies given the large camber profile, fairly long parabolic shape, and low tip/tail splay (relative to the usual 115mm, 5-dimensional ski). I was initially hesitant to buy anything 115mm+ unless it was at least 190cm, but I think I will actually enjoy this ski quite a bit.
    Last edited by DarthMarkus; 10-14-2019 at 01:15 AM.

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    Review: 19/20 Dynastar Proto

    I really like my set, waiting for a few more days on them before I pop my review in the Dynastar thread. So far, so good- want to get them in more powder before I give my final thoughts. Currently mounted on the line and I like them there, I was anticipating possibly moving the mount forward but I donít think I will. I pretty much concur with the Blister review. Most impressed thus far how well they handle firmer, more cruddy conditions and groomers. Hope you like them.

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    Is this thing more or less the OG Squad 7 2.0?
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    Just realized I didn't add some pictures I meant to include - I added a few more. I'm not terribly familiar with the Squad 7, but I'm pretty sure this ski is pretty different.

    EDIT: This ski does seem pretty similar to the Squad 7. Tip Splay, turn radius, and sidecut look different from a quick comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit Man View Post
    Is this thing more or less the OG Squad 7 2.0?
    I havenít skied a GPO, but I bought my Protos from LVS and I thought his comment about them being close to a GPO with a Dynastar layup made sense to me. The GPO is reported to be surfy and good in chop/crud, and that matches my experience with the Proto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit Man View Post
    Is this thing more or less the OG Squad 7 2.0?
    (Head snaps around). Except for the radius - on paper anyway - yeah. Even the excessive camber. Now intrigued.

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    Review: 19/20 Dynastar Proto

    I skied for a few runs at Big Sky last season. Conditions were about 4Ē-6Ē of cut up, fairly wet powder. Didnít have a great time, and felt the ski was a bit hard to turn. Would be interested to put more time on them in drier snow.

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    I'm excited tip give the a try. Fun shape with a heavier layup sounds intriguing.
    Is it just me or is this the best graphic Dynastar has put out since pre Cham series?

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    Review: 19/20 Dynastar Proto

    Proto Factory isnít the same ski as the Menace Proto by the way... the factory is from the dynastar race room and kind of a beast. The Menace Proto is made in Spain and softer torsionally. I think itís a touch more fun in less than ideal snow.

    Both are a hoot in deep powder of course. Both charge pretty hard.

    A 19x length in this ski would be nice for a fatso like me.

    I question the reviewers plan to mount them plus 1.5cm but maybe that more magical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier View Post
    Proto Factory isn’t the same ski as the Menace Proto by the way... the factory is from the dynastar race room and kind of a beast. The Menace Proto is made in Spain and softer torsionally. I think it’s a touch more fun in less than ideal snow.

    Both are a hoot in deep powder of course. Both charge pretty hard.

    A 19x length in this ski would be nice for a fatso like me.

    I question the reviewers plan to mount them plus 1.5cm but maybe that more magical.

    This would be surprising. What's your source on this info? I can't seem to find two different skis listed anywhere.

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    From Blisterís review:
    ďNote: The PR-OTO Factory returns unchanged for 19/20, apart from new graphics and a name change to the ďMenace Proto.Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthMarkus View Post
    This would be surprising. What's your source on this info? I can't seem to find two different skis listed anywhere.
    Getting my popcorn Expecting a salty response.
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    ha

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    Review: 19/20 Dynastar Proto

    One says made in Spain, the other said made in France. One has vertical sidewalls, the other is semi cap sorta. They arenít the same ski and blister is full of shit too. The proto proto is more ski hands down.

    My source: my Quiver last season. Yes had both, skied both, promise itís a different ski. Maybe like twins but one is a CrossFitíer and the other a powerlifter.

    Youíre not the only dynastar shill around these parts... we have a thread for this stuff.

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    Methodically testing to industry standards

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    Which pair am I on here? Itís the race room ones, you can tell by the powder cloud, the softer Spanish pair would have a cloud 13% larger due to the dynamic tip radius parabolic shape

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    Shilling might not be honest work but itís sure fun.

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    Whoop der-it is

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    I feel so blessed that my ski tips made it into this thread. Praise Jeebus!
    I tested the proto on said deep pow testing day and they were fun. Fairly different ski than the OG Squad 7. Mount is more centered, stiffer underfoot. More taper. Moar zoomzoom. The menace proto may be more like it, not sure as i have not skied the menace.

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    Guarantee Permin is still skiing the Proto Proto.

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    Or he is skiing something else...

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    probably a surfboard.

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    A proto proto proto

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier View Post
    A proto proto proto
    So something thatís not even thought of?

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