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10-09-2019, 10:26 AM #1Registered User
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new Alpine boot models with tech fittings?
with new salomon shift, I expected more brands to develop new alpine/race boot models with dyn and tech fittings (for those that want to short tours without having to ski in a performance comprising a/t boot). Do these new models exist? I'm suprised the solly and atomic alpine boots don't have tech fitting options.
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10-09-2019, 10:31 AM #2Registered User
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A full alpine race boot with tech fittings and no walk mode is dumb. That’s every manufacturer made a 130 flex alpine boot with tech fittings AND a walk mode.....
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10-09-2019, 12:46 PM #3Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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10-09-2019, 12:55 PM #4
Dalbello Lupo Pro HD and Tecnica Cochise are the closest you can get.
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10-09-2019, 01:06 PM #5indentured servant
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10-09-2019, 01:23 PM #7Registered User
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10-09-2019, 01:37 PM #8
Disagree. I've yet to find a boot with a walk mode that skis like a legit alpine boot inbounds. But I want a tech toe for short (~20 minute) shuffles to side country stashes. I don't really need a walk mode for such a short tour, and I'd kinda rather forego the extra complexity and failure point.
TBD whether lupo HD fills this niche. Looks like it might.
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10-09-2019, 01:49 PM #9
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10-09-2019, 01:49 PM #10
I think you vastly overestimate the size of that niche market segment compared to the huge race/alpine market.
This. A boot with a rigid spine skis way better. Whether or not everyone needs that is another question, but there is a significant difference between say a tecnica mach1 and a cochise. Which is not to say the cochise is bad, it is really good. The mach1 is just a notch better.
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10-09-2019, 02:34 PM #11Registered User
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Meh. Only maybe a tiny diff from dedicated alpine boot over my Cochise on the firm. That’s skiing the two back to back. Huge difference going to the Cochise when I want to access soft snow via skin or hike. Soft snow on the down, hell some times I forget to buckle my boots and don’t notice until I’m at the bottom so no need for a full on alpine type boot.
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10-09-2019, 03:12 PM #12
Just pay CAST to modify your boots. The market is really like you, a couple pro skiers, and 20 other guys. For 99% of the market it just adds production costs and either reduces raises prices or reduces margins for no real benefit.
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10-09-2019, 04:08 PM #13
Last edited by galibier_numero_un; 10-09-2019 at 07:52 PM.
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10-09-2019, 04:33 PM #14
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10-09-2019, 04:37 PM #15
I've been kinda sorta planning on this. But my alpine boots are coming on due for replacement so I was waiting till I got something new to take the cast plunge.
Unless, of course, the lupo's are the ticket. Which it sounds like they might be, provided I can get them to fit well.
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10-10-2019, 06:29 AM #16
TBH, an alpine boot with tech inserts is probably the smallest boot niche there is. I legit understand your need for a product like that, but to make the mold investment for it would simply be a disaster of a business decision. And ultimately, the Alpine Norm ISO 5355 does not allow for tech inserts and making such a boot is not a risk our legal department wants to take. No boot that follows the Alpine Norm but has tech inserts actually has TÜV certification.
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10-10-2019, 07:23 AM #17
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10-10-2019, 08:12 AM #18
I've been looking to upgrade from some Freedom RS 130's. Probably leaning toward Lang XT Free 130, or Technica Cochise.
Those Dalbellos are very appealing but I just can't wrap my head around having to remove the tongues to tour. How do they tour in walk mode without tongues removed? Probably the most appealing thing to me would be the ease of entry, as I have large, inflexible feet that are really f-ing hard to get into overlap boots, especially when they are cold.
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10-10-2019, 08:32 AM #19Perpetual Jong
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Years ago Tecnica made the Bodacious, a 130 flex boot with tech fittings and no walk mode. I think it was quickly discontinued, and the fact that you can still find the 2013 model in stock at a major online retailer speaks to the market size:
https://www.corbetts.com/2013-tecnic...ens-ski-boots/
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10-10-2019, 09:01 AM #20
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10-10-2019, 09:17 AM #21
I think there are people out there who'd bite, and yeah, there weren't Shift bindings available in 2013. I think those boots are still around because they are small and fugly.
Guess I don't see why it would be that hard for any manufacturer to add a tech toe to their boot, especially if they are already interchangeable. CAST is probably still the best option these days if that's what you are looking for. Touring more than a few hundred yards/meters without a walk mode seems dumb though.
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10-10-2019, 10:06 AM #22Registered User
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10-10-2019, 10:17 AM #23
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10-10-2019, 04:09 PM #24
With the beefier PU shell, Lupo HD fit same as other Lupos(Factory, AX etc)?
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10-10-2019, 05:24 PM #25Registered User
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I’m going to try this experiment this year. Hawx Ultra 120s with CAST mod and Zipfits, paired with Shifts for inbounds mornings/short tour afternoons out of the gates at Canyons. I’ll try to do back to back tests vs. my Hawx Ultra 130 XTDs. Will report back...
Having skied the Lange XT 130 LV (with Zipfits) as my only boot for 2.5 seasons, I agree it is excellent. Progressive flex and lateral stiffness is close to a modern rigid spine alpine boot. But they have a certain give/vagueness in rearward support, which I think is probably due to the walk mode.
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