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[singlesline]

On the regular boost side of things--I see WAO has wheels 30% off.

I'm looking for new wheels for my SB115, because it came with weirdly burly wheels for a short travel bike (e13 enduro 30mm--stated weight is 2126g). I don't want to go super light because I weigh almost 200lb and I'm not racing, but I'd like to shave off some weight there. Plan to mount some Rekon 2.4 WT tires I just got.

WAO Factions with a DT350 (is the CX-Ray upgrade worth it?) look like a great option with the black friday sale. I'd be fine to stick with 30mm internal, but these are 27mm

Any other wheels I should be looking at right now? Someone mentioned up thread that Raceface Next wheels are on sale--the SL seems like it might be too flimsy for me (and costs more than the WAO), but the 31mm Next R might work. Not sure I'd want the Raceface hubs over the DTs.

[Andeh]

Reserve has their 30 HD wheelsets on 20% off sale right now (if you want/like I9 hubs). They've got great warranty and are pretty light. I'm going to spring for a set with 350s at full price though because I'm tired of replacing Hydra bearings every few months.

[VTskibum]

Also would recommend Noble wheels, bunch of hub options including DT on sale.

I've had CX Ray's before on race wheels, light stiff, expensive. Not sure these days how worthy they are on carbon rims, used them on lightweight XC rims, which arguably made them bit stiffer.

[nickwm21]

I wouldn’t pay extra to get a hydra or 350 over the 1/1 on any of the wheel builds. The 1/1 is a sneaky good product.


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[Eluder]

I wouldn’t pay extra to get a hydra or 350 over the 1/1 on any of the wheel builds. The 1/1 is a sneaky good product.


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Agreed, we got 2 of them and they just work.

[Falcon3]

On the regular boost side of things--I see WAO has wheels 30% off.

I'm looking for new wheels for my SB115, because it came with weirdly burly wheels for a short travel bike (e13 enduro 30mm--stated weight is 2126g). I don't want to go super light because I weigh almost 200lb and I'm not racing, but I'd like to shave off some weight there. Plan to mount some Rekon 2.4 WT tires I just got.

WAO Factions with a DT350 (is the CX-Ray upgrade worth it?) look like a great option with the black friday sale. I'd be fine to stick with 30mm internal, but these are 27mm

Any other wheels I should be looking at right now? Someone mentioned up thread that Raceface Next wheels are on sale--the SL seems like it might be too flimsy for me (and costs more than the WAO), but the 31mm Next R might work. Not sure I'd want the Raceface hubs over the DTs.

I'm a way bigger fan of WeAreOne than of Nobl. WAO lays their rims in Canada, and offers lifetime warranty on everything, whereas NOBL only offers it on their premium wheels and sources from China, so you're getting basically the same rims as BTLOS or Nextie/LightBicycle.

However, their BF deal for 28Hn DT240 TR32 wheels is smoking hot. Thats a 1450g wheelset with their lifetime warranty for $1155. This would be my rec for an XC/Trail wheel. If you want more of an enduro wheel, go WAO Triad with DT350 or 1/1.

[Tailwind]

Factions would be sweet on that bike. We Are Ones ride really well. If you want something burlier do a Faction rear with a wider front rim.

I agree with the 1/1 comments.

On the regular boost side of things--I see WAO has wheels 30% off.

I'm looking for new wheels for my SB115, because it came with weirdly burly wheels for a short travel bike (e13 enduro 30mm--stated weight is 2126g). I don't want to go super light because I weigh almost 200lb and I'm not racing, but I'd like to shave off some weight there. Plan to mount some Rekon 2.4 WT tires I just got.

WAO Factions with a DT350 (is the CX-Ray upgrade worth it?) look like a great option with the black friday sale. I'd be fine to stick with 30mm internal, but these are 27mm

Any other wheels I should be looking at right now? Someone mentioned up thread that Raceface Next wheels are on sale--the SL seems like it might be too flimsy for me (and costs more than the WAO), but the 31mm Next R might work. Not sure I'd want the Raceface hubs over the DTs.

[carlh]

Rear coil shocks rock shox upper deluxe ultimate vs cane creek kitsuma? Fs is 20% off this week cane creek should be 40%off next week so they are the same price.
Bike is a gg gnarvana used for mostly winch and plummet riding in the Pnw, I have an x2 now that felt good until it aerated. Lots of rooty steeps but not much of a hucker, looking for better small bump compliance and mid stroke support.
Not afraid of knobs but tend towards spending time setting it up then move a click or 2 depending on terrain. RS seems easier to setup and has hbo but supposedly has a funky rebound. CC is harder to setup and no hbo but maybe better performance. Thoughts?

[sfotex]

I bought a like new Breezer carbon hardtail with like 100 miles on it for $400 this summer. Performance bought the closeout frames and slapped weird parts on them. The wheelset was crap and had a helluve a time finding a nice 135mm QR rear wheel.
Then my son bought a Cannondale fSI hardtail for high school racing, he blew up the rear rim on it, so guess what, it's boost with Cannondale offset dishing (which is easy enough to fix, but it means I can't swap wheels with non-cdale frame)
Then I got a have a Specialized road bike that has their try this for 2 years weird ass boost on it.

When you buy a bike now you need to factor in the cost of a spare rear wheel..

[One (+) Sentence]

I bought a like new Breezer carbon hardtail with like 100 miles on it for $400 this summer. Performance bought the closeout frames and slapped weird parts on them. The wheelset was crap and had a helluve a time finding a nice 135mm QR rear wheel.
Then my son bought a Cannondale fSI hardtail for high school racing, he blew up the rear rim on it, so guess what, it's boost with Cannondale offset dishing (which is easy enough to fix, but it means I can't swap wheels with non-cdale frame)
Then I got a have a Specialized road bike that has their try this for 2 years weird ass boost on it.

When you buy a bike now you need to factor in the cost of a spare rear wheel..

Does Cannondale not use their Ai rear hub spacing on that bike anymore? It should be 12x142 with an offset dish. Not Boost, unless they’ve recently changed. Still not compatible with your 135x10 open dropouts.

[sfotex]

Does Cannondale not use their Ai rear hub spacing on that bike anymore? It should be 12x142 with an offset dish. Not Boost, unless they’ve recently changed. Still not compatible with your 135x10 open dropouts.

12mm × 148mm Boost with AI spacing. I have another bike with boost, but I can't use it on the c'dale without re-dishing it...

So I found him a good deal on an XT rear wheel (like $200 on sale at REI) and go to put it on some he can ride. Fuck. I need to dish it for 'AI". Ok, I can fix this, I dig out the old Park spoke wrenches...and... Shimano uses their own spoke nipple size.. .. WTF

I have like 7 different rear wheel specs in the garage on bikes made in the last ten years.

[LeeLau]

I think we need pitchforks for real issues in cycling.

We Are One is producing a very aggressively priced bike that rides well, is produced in canada by a small business with workers who are paid well and all we’re all saying ‘hub standard is different it’s garbage’. So we buy bikes that cost way more and don’t support local manufacturing? Compare the pricing on this to a Megatower that’s similarly built and just supports Pon holdings.

If you’re building up a frame I get why that’s annoying. Usually when I’m getting a bike I’m selling a bike. So it’s easy for incompatible parts to go out the door.

But… Also not hard to sell something of one size and buy something of another. IE post your $200 wrong sized dropper for $150 and find another one in the right size for $150. Selling a carbon set of wheels and buying the same set with a different hub spacing takes an hour of time and if you do it well is a break even proposition

Point being : I don’t think there is a logical argument for a strong opposition outside of the principle that bikes shouldn’t have multiple standards for expensive parts.

But… this doesn’t just apply to Superboost. What about mullet bikes? Not compatible with 29’er wheelsets. What about different rear shock sizes? Can’t swap those around at all. Fork dampers are different so they can’t be swapped!

The argument earlier was “what if you’re on a trip and you break a wheel that can’t be a repaired and you want to buy a new one but the local shop doesn’t have superboost?”… that’s a pretty unique circumstance for me at least. If it’s a rim, get a new rim laced up, you probably would do that with a boost wheelset. If it’s a hub that can’t be repaired (I’ve never had this with a nice hub) then I’d probably just demo a bike and shop for something once I was home. Also the We Are One wheels are burly so you probably won’t break and won’t have to go to the shop…

Dammit. Agreeing with toast again.

I've drawn the line with SuperBoost. I think it'll be orphaned and I've got expensive wheels that are cross compatible and that's it. Period

[Andeh]

Agreed, we got 2 of them and they just work.

I have a hard time believing that 1/1 bearing life is magically better than Hydra since both use the same spec (just slightly different sizes) of Enduro bearings. My issue with the Hydra bearings isn't rust, it's that they feel notchy after a handful of months.

[Andeh]

Rear coil shocks rock shox upper deluxe ultimate vs cane creek kitsuma? Fs is 20% off this week cane creek should be 40%off next week so they are the same price.
Bike is a gg gnarvana used for mostly winch and plummet riding in the Pnw, I have an x2 now that felt good until it aerated. Lots of rooty steeps but not much of a hucker, looking for better small bump compliance and mid stroke support.
Not afraid of knobs but tend towards spending time setting it up then move a click or 2 depending on terrain. RS seems easier to setup and has hbo but supposedly has a funky rebound. CC is harder to setup and no hbo but maybe better performance. Thoughts?

Haven't used the CC, but did spend quite a bit of time on the new SDU Coil. Not sure where you're hearing that the rebound is funky (the generic retail tune is linear rebound, light compression), I thought it was very predictable and easy to set up. It's a great value shock, with my only complaint being it's a bit heavy. It's also nice that you can remove the spring without pulling the rear eyelet hardware (unlike, say, a DHX2).

[toast2266]

12mm × 148mm Boost with AI spacing. I have another bike with boost, but I can't use it on the c'dale without re-dishing it...

So I found him a good deal on an XT rear wheel (like $200 on sale at REI) and go to put it on some he can ride. Fuck. I need to dish it for 'AI". Ok, I can fix this, I dig out the old Park spoke wrenches...and... Shimano uses their own spoke nipple size.. .. WTF

I have like 7 different rear wheel specs in the garage on bikes made in the last ten years.

I have a low quality generic "all in one" type spoke wrench that has like 8 different nipple fittings. It's kinda shitty and I definitely opt for the proper wrench whenever possible. But it's really nice having the universal thing lying around for when it's 10 pm, I'm a couple beers in, and I have a weird wheel that needs to be dealt with.

(It's something like this: https://a.co/d/jh3BRUw)

[D(C)]

Rear coil shocks rock shox upper deluxe ultimate vs cane creek kitsuma? Fs is 20% off this week cane creek should be 40%off next week so they are the same price.
Bike is a gg gnarvana used for mostly winch and plummet riding in the Pnw, I have an x2 now that felt good until it aerated. Lots of rooty steeps but not much of a hucker, looking for better small bump compliance and mid stroke support.
Not afraid of knobs but tend towards spending time setting it up then move a click or 2 depending on terrain. RS seems easier to setup and has hbo but supposedly has a funky rebound. CC is harder to setup and no hbo but maybe better performance. Thoughts?

I don’t think you can go wrong either way. On my Sight, I went from a Cane Creek DB Coil CS (older, not Kitsuma) to 2023 Rockshox Super Deluxe Coil with HBO. I can’t say I liked one more than the other. Both were great.

The Sight isn’t the most progressive so I was running a bit less sag than you might run on other bikes, but with my setup, I actually didn’t find the HBO made that much of a difference. It might do more if you ran more sag.

I would choose based on price and local service availability.

[Eluder]

I have a hard time believing that 1/1 bearing life is magically better than Hydra since both use the same spec (just slightly different sizes) of Enduro bearings. My issue with the Hydra bearings isn't rust, it's that they feel notchy after a handful of months.

I don't know what to tell you. One set is 3 years old, and the other two have a season and a half on them ( forgot we have 3). I have 1 bad bearing in the front of the three year old set, but its not bad enough to deal with.

[D(C)]

My 1/1s have been quite good, though not perfect. I’ve had my set for 3 years and replaced the bearings once. I did have a couple warranty issues. One was the rear hub axle failing. And the other was the rear hub bearing pressfit interface being out of spec, such that the bearings could be gently pushed into place rather than needing to be pressed in. I only noticed the issue when I went to swap bearings, never having any play because of it. i9 sent me a new hub shell, but I never built it up. I’m just using the original one with some green Loctite around the bearings, which has been working for 2 years without issue. i9’s warranty is also awesome.

[codester1422]

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[sfotex]

I have a low quality generic "all in one" type spoke wrench that has like 8 different nipple fittings. It's kinda shitty and I definitely opt for the proper wrench whenever possible. But it's really nice having the universal thing lying around for when it's 10 pm, I'm a couple beers in, and I have a weird wheel that needs to be dealt with.

(It's something like this: https://a.co/d/jh3BRUw)

Yeah, I grabbed one when I got the Shimano wrench. Thought I had the world covered with ole Green, Red, and Black..

[smmokan]

I have a hard time believing that 1/1 bearing life is magically better than Hydra since both use the same spec (just slightly different sizes) of Enduro bearings. My issue with the Hydra bearings isn't rust, it's that they feel notchy after a handful of months.

It probably has more to do with the forces involved on the two hub designs vs the bearings themselves. The old Torch hubs were freakin' bombproof.

[rideit]

Just wait until you need green, pale blue, dark blue, grey, yellow. .(spoke wrenches

[Thaleia]

How do you dry the inside of somewhat thick thinsulate gloves? No leather present.

Hand sweat weirds me out as it is and these things are like sponges. Please help me before I spawn the next pandemic in them.

[toast2266]

Superboost fans can put their money where their mouth is. Smoking deals on WAO Arrival 152 right now. $3440 for the frame + shock, and they're throwing in a free lyrik.

https://www.weareonecomposites.com/e...val-frame-only

[SchralphMacchio]

How do you dry the inside of somewhat thick thinsulate gloves? No leather present.

Hand sweat weirds me out as it is and these things are like sponges. Please help me before I spawn the next pandemic in them.

Boot dryer