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04-09-2021, 05:28 PM #4051
Fuck don't tempt me...
I haven't looked into the Mara much, does it blow a DPX2 out of the water?
As far as brakes go I've been working on nose manuals for styling my way around idiotically tight switchbacks and am slowly learning that the concept of modulation isn't something Shimano has mastered. I love the XT brakes in terms of power and never had an issue with wandering bite point but the things are either on or off with no in-between.
I get that there's a lot more than just braking for a clean nose manual but still, it gets scary real fast when you're way over your front wheel trying to get the back to come up nice and smooth and you tap the lever a bit too hard..."Your wife being mad is temporary, but pow turns do not get unmade" - mallwalker the wise
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04-09-2021, 06:07 PM #4052
I haven't used a DPX2 on this bike. My previous shock was a DVO Topaz T3 that came with a custom tune for this frame. The Mara feels way better than the Topaz ever did. It's more supple off the top and handles harsh flat landings way better. Sethschmautz also got one last year and really likes it.
Now, if I already owned a DPX2 I would probably just send it to Diaz rather than buy a new shock. But if you're going to buy a new shock the Mara is definitely legit.
I had 2-piston XTs prior to Dominions and there's just no comparison there. Though probably every brake at that price smokes XTs. Dominions do cost less than Code RSC and most boutique brakes, and they come with a second set of pads which is nice.Last edited by Dantheman; 04-09-2021 at 06:35 PM.
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04-09-2021, 06:15 PM #4053
Im less than impressed with my dpx2 on my meta tr. Was thinking of getting a coil shock to replace it. I wonder if its worth it to send it to vorsprung(im in Can.) to get it tuned for the bike? Its the shock that came on the bike. Not terrible but i can tell that a coil will add a few levels of bump eating ability.
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04-09-2021, 08:42 PM #4054
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I complained about needing super high pressure 300+ to get the sag correct on my dpx2 a few pages back.
I bought some fox volume spacers and swapped out the stock one for a larger spacer (easy to do) which has helped a lot. Well, at least for my issue. The shock is much more progressive now and with less psi. Broke a brake lever so haven’t been able to put it fully through the ringer.
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04-09-2021, 09:21 PM #4055Hucked to flat once
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My dpx2 turned into a dhx2 and I like my bike a lot more but I’m not super weight conscious.
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04-09-2021, 09:33 PM #4056
I find that the dpx2 can be impressively good with the right tune (moreso than most trail oriented air shocks), and thoroughly mediocre with the wrong tune (as with most shocks).
That said, it's never gonna compare with a good coil in terms of suppleness. It is, however, about a pound lighter and almost certainly pedals better.
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04-09-2021, 09:45 PM #4057
Thanks, cant hurt to try that first. That should make it a little more supple off the top too, having less air pressure Much the same and ill probably end up that way as well I might have had too high of expectations with it. It does pedal well. I hear so many people compare the x2 to the dhx2 and say that the x2 is coil like so i was hoping this dpx2 would be closer to an x2. Then i see dh pros going back to a dhx2 after x2 testing. Every time i put a coil on im reminded how much more capable it is
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04-09-2021, 09:48 PM #4058
I'm running an x2 on my enduro - it's great, and I like it, but it's still definitely not as supple as a coil. And a dpx2 is a fairly significant step away from coil-ness from the x2.
Dpx2 is a great shock, and I happily run it on any trail bike. But the bigger and burlier the bike, the less the dpx2 is gonna cut it.
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04-10-2021, 08:29 AM #4059
I wouldn't be so quick to give up on the 36. The 36 is a very good fork, especially so with the updated one. What you're describing is not at all normal with this fork and indicates an issue with the service. If I was guessing, my first thought is it sounds like they got the foam ring jammed when installing the lowers. Easy to do and pretty common.
Like Toast said, just give it back and have them do a new reassembly.
Also, in my experience, all forks take far less pressure than factory recommended to get proper sag.
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04-10-2021, 08:37 AM #4060
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04-10-2021, 08:57 AM #4061
Why doesn’t the RS VividAir get the same love as the X2? Do they not make it in smaller sizes to use on non-DH bikes? Does it not have a compression switch?
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04-10-2021, 09:21 AM #4062Registered User
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I don't think it's been produced since the Deluxe/Super Deluxe was introduced in about 2017. Or at least they don't make metric sizes of the Vivid Air so it's not an ideal fit on bikes designed around metric shocks which is pretty much everything these days. The Super Deluxe DH is the new DH air shock but I think that's just a Super Deluxe with high and low speed compression dials.
I changed a basic Monarch to a Vivid Air on my old Mega and it was a huge improvement. Then moved it to a V1 Bronson for a while which was good until it started leaking even after a good workshop serviced it so I replaced it with a Monarch Plus LV which really didn't feel too different as saved a lot of weight.
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04-10-2021, 10:16 AM #4063Registered User
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just tell them its been fucked ever since they worked on it
I watched buddy do my 36, very fast he knew exactly what he was doing and he used a torque wrench, new enduro seals & foam rings, he checked the air pressure before taking it apart and set it back to the same so the fork was at least the same as before he took it apart
YMMV but IME think the 36 is an awesume forkLast edited by XXX-er; 04-10-2021 at 10:46 AM.
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04-10-2021, 12:17 PM #4064
I do see people swear by the x2, on their enduro bikes, and dont see them come up for sale as often. Ill add that to the options after a ttial tweak to the dp
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04-10-2021, 12:29 PM #4065
The Expert is on my list - but that arch makes my brain hurt
Yeah, definitely not gicing up as such. Will give it a try next week, straight back to the shop if it doesn't work out.
Change of bike is part of the plan anyhow - after this season the Strive is 3 seasons old, the seat angle is pretty slack by modern standards, and you can tell. And I'm pretty certain there's a model update sometime before next season, would like to get rid of mine before everyone wants the latest greatest
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04-10-2021, 06:26 PM #4066
Is the only difference in the x2 "performance" just that its not kashima?
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04-10-2021, 06:33 PM #4067
No, it’s got one less tuning knob. (I forget which).
But the tune on mine for the Altitude is pretty spot on, I don’t miss it at all.Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident
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04-10-2021, 06:52 PM #4068
Ok cool, maybe hsr. That seems to be the one people know or adjust the least. This may work
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04-10-2021, 07:39 PM #4069
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04-10-2021, 08:23 PM #4070
Ah ok. Good to know. Found a good deal. I think i could sell my dpx2 for close to the same price. That may be an issue. Thanks
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04-11-2021, 12:22 PM #4071
Sounds to me like your negative chamber isn't getting pressurised. Can you hear air transfering into it when you compress the fork while your airing up? Excess grease in the air spring can cause the transfer port to get clogged. Mine usually gets over pressurised when it gets clogged resulting in the fork not topping out all the way. Theoretically could go either way though. Did the shop do a full damper teardown? If they got your compression shims back in wrong it could feel that way too. You said you backed the compression way off, does changing the compression settings do anything in either direction?
As stated by many, the latest generations of the 36 are great forks and what you're describing isn't remotely 'normal'. You don't have to fuck around with aftermarket air spring changes to get it to feel good. Your fork is malfunctioning, for sure bring it back to the shop tell them that.There's nothing better than sliding down snow, and flying through the air
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04-11-2021, 06:29 PM #4072
Thoughts on the shock wiz. Still dialing in the new bike. I can rent one for $80 or buy one and donate it to the local NICA team after I set up my/ my wife's bike.
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04-11-2021, 08:00 PM #4073
We should buy a TGR shock wiz and just mail it around the collective.
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04-11-2021, 08:02 PM #4074
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04-11-2021, 08:26 PM #4075
I’d also be in for that.... maybe a shop or industry mag could hook us up?
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