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06-04-2020, 07:21 AM #726
Simple pretty much nails the cause, but having accepted toast's door number 3 I've finally figured one thing out: Magura (MT4/MT5) needs more volume in reserve. This can be addressed by adding a few drops of fluid periodically as the pads wear. Annoying, but not too bad if you remember not to go tight on the bleed screw.
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06-04-2020, 08:19 AM #727
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06-04-2020, 08:42 AM #728
4 is Hayes. They are nice.
Re Magura. Don't gorilla the bleed port. And keep stock of pads.
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06-04-2020, 09:33 AM #729
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06-04-2020, 10:08 AM #730
Current brakes suck?!
You're obviously a lot younger than many of us.
You didn't ride mountain bikes with canti-brakes.
After living with cantis, we fell in love with vee-brakes.
After living with vees, we loved cable discs.
After living with cable discs, we loved the first gen hydro discs.
After living with the first gen hydro discs, we loved the better, 2nd gen, hydro discs.
And now?...
Current disc brakes are amazing. Take XTs, for instance; reliable, cheap, blind monkey easy to bleed, and will stop a train.
You have no idea how good you have it.
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06-04-2020, 10:20 AM #731
^^^^ truth
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06-04-2020, 10:26 AM #732
Nail on head. For fucks sake, even Shimano Deore bakes work shockingly well. Better than anything available 10 years ago.
Sent from my iPhone using TGR ForumsHowever many are in a shit ton.
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06-04-2020, 10:30 AM #733
TRP was smart enough to just use Shimano pads, so there's that.
I'm not quite old enough to have done much mountain biking on cantis, but was around for v brakes. Yes, brakes now are vastly better than they used to be, but I 100% agree with Toast that most stuff out there has some significant downside still. Just because things are better than they once were doesn't mean that there isn't still a ton of room for improvement.
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06-04-2020, 10:34 AM #734
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06-04-2020, 10:47 AM #735
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06-04-2020, 11:01 AM #736
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06-04-2020, 11:10 AM #737
Sorry but XT brakes are not "amazing"
They are cheap and break easily. Strong feeling sure but not amazing. Respect to the old heads (I am one) but it is just an above average brake for average riders.
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06-04-2020, 11:14 AM #738Registered User
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I think everyone might have a different tak, the oldest stlyle brakes sucked, canti were better, u brake under the bottm bracket was a dumb spot but worked ok, V brakes were pretty good, hayes hydros broke lots, BB7's were just as powerful as hayes but no modulation but also no breakdowns, juicy meh and lately the shimano seem awesume
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06-04-2020, 11:17 AM #739
Yup.
Since the canti era, most of the brakes I've been on were decent for their time. But they all had problems. The current crop of brakes are the best yet, but particularly in the "trail" category, there's still a lot of room for improvement. There is no option currently on the market that is clearly superior.
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06-04-2020, 11:32 AM #740
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06-04-2020, 11:39 AM #741
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06-04-2020, 11:49 AM #742
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06-04-2020, 11:55 AM #743
What exactly breaks so easily on XTs?
I owned a shop for 5 years and the amount of XT brake issues could fit on one hand with several fingers left. Can't say that about lots of others mentioned here.
Perfect? No.
Neither is a Toyota Tacoma but it's still a pretty damn good truck.
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06-04-2020, 12:08 PM #744
Well yeah it isn't like an Elixer or Guide with massive warranty returns.
You may not have seen many because they are so cheap to replace and Shimano warranty is no where near as easy as SRAM.
I had constant issues with roasted pistons and the lever seals leaking. Nothing a bleed could fix. Always had to throw them away. Nice to be able to buy individual levers and calipers I guess.
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06-04-2020, 12:09 PM #745
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To clarify, modern brakes are like modern tubeless systems. Pretty damn awesome if you started riding more than 5 years ago. Vastly better performing and more reliable than their predecessors.
Sometimes challenging. Usually not. Room for improvement? Sure, but we’re talking about gaining small fractions of progression.
Unfortunately, like with dropper posts, the industry thinks we want something just a little “better” when we really want something more reliable.
Sent from my iPhone using TGR ForumsHowever many are in a shit ton.
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06-04-2020, 12:18 PM #746
The bike industry doesn't want reliable. They want you to buy new shit constantly if you love the sport.
Engineered to last only if you use it lightly. Once you ride the shit out of them bicycles and their parts wear and break.
So yeah you could be on a bike from 1996 still. You are a casual user and likely can't ride like you did in 1996 anymore. All good.
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06-04-2020, 02:04 PM #747
I am trying to find an xt 9 speed rt shifter and striking out. Antony know if a sram index shifter is compatible? Seems like all of the 9 speed shifters are I back order. Is this a covid thing, or just the bike is too old thing?
Thanks
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06-04-2020, 02:14 PM #748
Sram 9 speed won't work, unless you can find the non-series version that is designed to work with Shimano. Those were called Attack or something like that.
There are some low end Shimano 9 speed shifters still being made but looking for XT level is a "your bike is too old" thing.
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06-04-2020, 02:26 PM #749
n=1 and you're well aware of my biases, but I totaled up my Strava stats from last year and it looks like I did about 60,000 feet of descending between the time I installed my Dominions in July and when I scrambled my brain in late October. No fade, no squeal, no wandering bite, no need for a bleed, nada. That was all on one set of semi-metallic pads that still had some life left (I weigh about 165 geared up), though I replaced them this spring with a set of the sintered pads anyway (that I already had because the brakes come with both sets). The flippable levers are also a nice touch.
There's a big thread on MTBR where people do report some problems. The most commonly reported problem, which isn't all that common, is sticky pistons not retracting fully. Some piston exercising seems to fix it, and it's easy to do with their bleed block. Hayes going out of business seems unlikely: https://hayesperformance.com/markets/Last edited by Dantheman; 06-04-2020 at 03:39 PM.
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06-04-2020, 02:33 PM #750
^^^ yeah, I'm hearing a lot of good things about the new hayes stuff. Definitely curious to try them.
And yeah, in fairness, they probably won't go bankrupt. They could pull out of the bicycle game though (which they've done in the past).
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