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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth View Post
    How about the sram steel chainrings? What's the actual weight difference? I like how cheap and durable they are and don't care much about weight unless it's a major difference
    I use the steel SRAM chainring on one bike - holding up great. I don't know the precise weight difference. It's noticeable holding it in your hand, but not significant IMHO.
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    32$ for a steel ring/ 156$ for a 12spd NX cluster/ 93 $ for an X01 chain is 281$CAN for a new drive train
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    Don't want to start a thread for such an oddball question, wondering if anyone could tell me how one accesses the Ribbon trail at Lunch Loops? Travelling solo so can't shuttle it. Looked at local bike shops and don't see anyone offering shuttles. Trailforks shows it's a one way down trail so can't ride up it..

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    You ride up the road. Or there is usually a guy who runs shuttles with a van and its like 10 a head or something
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    If you're climbing from the bottom of the lunch loops area, go up Tabegauche, then up the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaleia View Post
    Don't want to start a thread for such an oddball question, wondering if anyone could tell me how one accesses the Ribbon trail at Lunch Loops? Travelling solo so can't shuttle it. Looked at local bike shops and don't see anyone offering shuttles. Trailforks shows it's a one way down trail so can't ride up it..

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    Somewhere there is pages of arguing about the ribbon and shuttling it vs pedaling it.

    Easiest way to the top is to park at the bottom of the ribbon and pedal up little park road (paved). If starting at the main lunch loops TH you climb tabeguache to where it crosses little park rd, then climb the road.

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    At a fast pace itís an hour from the main lot to the top. Head up Tabeguache from the main lot (or Ped) then take that until you hit little park road. Spin up the road.

    Gunny loop is fun if you want something easier.

    Windmill is the best trail in the area (by a big margin in my opinion) but takes 3ish hours and is tiring.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thaleia View Post
    Don't want to start a thread for such an oddball question, wondering if anyone could tell me how one accesses the Ribbon trail at Lunch Loops? Travelling solo so can't shuttle it. Looked at local bike shops and don't see anyone offering shuttles. Trailforks shows it's a one way down trail so can't ride up it..

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    The one time I didn't shuttle, we rode up Tabeguache to Holy Cross to the paved road (Little Park Road). I remember a few steep punches, but that was a long time ago.

    Then maybe 4 miles of easy pave to the Ribbon trailhead.

    But agree that finding a shuttle person should be easy from the lot, or once in Little Park Rd.

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    Holy crap sincere thanks everyone! Wasn't expecting so many details for such a granular question. Greatly appreciated.

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    I'm amazed that you got 5 answers in agreement.

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    And FTR, unless something has changed recently, you *can* ride up The Ribbon... though it's probably inadvisable.

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    Yeah poking around online I got that sense, but damn that doesn't sound enjoyable at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tailwind View Post
    At a fast pace it’s an hour from the main lot to the top. Head up Tabeguache from the main lot (or Ped) then take that until you hit little park road. Spin up the road.

    Gunny loop is fun if you want something easier.

    Windmill is the best trail in the area (by a big margin in my opinion) but takes 3ish hours and is tiring.
    Really intrigued by this suggestion, thank you. Having a closer look on it currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    And FTR, unless something has changed recently, you *can* ride up The Ribbon... though it's probably inadvisable.
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    Ok folks, anybody know how to keep straight pull spokes from spinning while riding? Wheel was professionally build and trued, used spoke prep on the nipples, tension was per mfgr recs. But the damn straight pull bladed spokes continue to twist. Today half of one side came completely loose on a super chunky jank backcountry trail. Luckily no damage and had a spoke wrench with me to tighten things up for the big descent but obviously this is an annoying thing to have happen.

    I'm thinking maybe LocTite or whatever WRG is putting in his headset might work? (on the hub-spoke interface not nipple). What I really should do is build a J-bend 32H enduro set and keep this straight pull, bladed 28H set for a lighter travel bike I'm not smashing all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth View Post
    How about the sram steel chainrings? What's the actual weight difference? I like how cheap and durable they are and don't care much about weight unless it's a major difference
    A steel 32t Sram sync 2 with 6mm offset weights 141 grams, and a generic aluminum one I have with the same specs weights 68 grams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon3 View Post
    Ok folks, anybody know how to keep straight pull spokes from spinning while riding?
    What I really should do is build a J-bend 32H enduro set and keep this straight pull, bladed 28H set for a lighter travel bike I'm not smashing all the time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon3 View Post
    Ok folks, anybody know how to keep straight pull spokes from spinning while riding? Wheel was professionally build and trued, used spoke prep on the nipples, tension was per mfgr recs. But the damn straight pull bladed spokes continue to twist. Today half of one side came completely loose on a super chunky jank backcountry trail.
    In my experience, Unwinding spokes has nothing to do with whether they are straight pull or bladed. It has everything to do with the wheel builder allowing a bunch of wind up during the build and not aggressively detensioning.
    Adding glue to nipples after a build is unpossible and wouldnít address the actual problem.


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    ^^^ Completely agree.

    If you had a local shop build them, I'd take them back there if you think it was an oversight. Otherwise, probably worth taking to a different shop, especially one with a good wheel building reputation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    In my experience, Unwinding spokes has nothing to do with whether they are straight pull or bladed. It has everything to do with the wheel builder allowing a bunch of wind up during the build and not aggressively detensioning.
    Adding glue to nipples after a build is unpossible and wouldnít address the actual problem.


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    Agreed, although if someone wound up bladed spokes that bad, they really have no business charging money for wheel work. It's pretty damn obvious when blades are wound up.

    If the whole wheel detensioned, I kind of wonder if the spokes weren't seated into the hub correctly, or something like that. But I'd be really surprised if the nipples loosened themselves.

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    When I had loose spokes I would turn them all an extra amount while tensioning ( might have been 1/2 turn or might have been 1/4 ) and then I would back off that amount which unwound the spoke

    the new wheels seem to be so good I havent even had to tension anything and i do check them

    Back in the day I read something about using a loctite that seeps into a loose spoke thread which i did not try

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    THanks, to be clear, I've been running the wheels since June, with lots of miles on them. This is the first near-catastrophic de-tensioning I've experienced. The spokes are not twisted from end to end- they're bladed CX-Rays and it would be quite obvious if the blades spiraled. I've had them trued a couple times since new.

    What I'm guessing is happening is the same that happens with j-bend when nipples come loose, but it's exacerbated because the spoke can spin on both ends. Wheel hits something big, deforms, creating slack in the system, nipple can slowly come undone after many hundreds of impacts. My question on bearing compound or loctite or whatever was for the hub end, not the nipple end.
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    hey its just something I vaguely remember reading, check it out carefuly before you put any flavor of loctite on spokes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaleia View Post
    Don't want to start a thread for such an oddball question, wondering if anyone could tell me how one accesses the Ribbon trail at Lunch Loops? Travelling solo so can't shuttle it. Looked at local bike shops and don't see anyone offering shuttles. Trailforks shows it's a one way down trail so can't ride up it..

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    Maybe Iím alone in this, but my first time riding Ribbon I was solo and it was an exercise in frustration, where I was either going fast and getting off-route or going slow and not having much fun. Next time I rode it I followed someone familiar with the trail and had a blast. So, I guess the takeaway here is, the shuttle/donít shuttle argument is a subterfuge, and if you canít find someone to follow, be ready to do some route finding the first time around. And, maybe watch some videos to try and get familiar.
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    Hey thanks for that. I've watched a handful of videos but would likely still mess it up.

    Didn't realize it has some exposure. And if I'm being honest the toilet bowl has me a bit concerned. And the last section isn't exactly my style. Kind of second guessing this one. I'm not the most technical rider and when riding solo my confidence level drops (safety concerns).

    Hopefully I can tag along with someone if I end up doing this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaleia View Post
    Hey thanks for that. I've watched a handful of videos but would likely still mess it up.

    Didn't realize it has some exposure. And if I'm being honest the toilet bowl has me a bit concerned. And the last section isn't exactly my style. Kind of second guessing this one. I'm not the most technical rider and when riding solo my confidence level drops (safety concerns).

    Hopefully I can tag along with someone if I end up doing this one.
    Don't worry too much about the exposure - you'd kinda have to get off-route for there to be any. And the toilet bowl is easily walk/scoot-able. There's no requirement to ride it...

    Do be a bit careful at the waterfall portion.

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