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  1. #201
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    I thought Neil & Lorraine got along quite well. I also think they'll just get to know each other better. They actually improved in this one comp.

    That said, adding Martin into it would be a good triangle. A lot of pro sport booths have more than two commentators. Divide each person's skill set into categories to take the lead in discussion. Then develop a recipe for conversational flow and I think it'd be a rad 3-person conversation.

    They all add tremendous value and I don't think it needs to be limited to just two personas.

    Martin is a veteran-genius.
    Neil is a veteran-genius.
    Lorraine is a veteran-genius.

    If any other veterans could talk they'd be in the booth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powdork View Post
    Also, does this mean 2-3 years from now (or later this year) they'll be tricking the giant transfers?
    Yes. Yes, it does.
    It means exactly that.

    Perhaps tricking the giant transfers is the best way to get rid of looking like a flung cat. Floating a 3 might be a lot easier than keeping your shit together in a 10-second straight air. At least, it would take your eyes (and mind) off of the landing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angle Parking View Post
    The vets performed! Especially Tabke and Bakered. They stepped up to the plate big time today. Difficult snow conditions really evened the playing field. Imagine that venue in ideal snow..... It would have been a freestyle paradise. As it was however, freestyle tossers like Hall were humbled. Even the unflappable Turdel stumbled in todays snow. To a very significant extent, the first stop of the year asked and answered the question, who can really ski?

    I thought the mens skiing was profoundly entertaining. Bitch all you want about the venue, the judging, the selection process, the telecast, this and that, and this and that, but I'll watch over any televised sport any day.

    Kiwi announcer dude referred to Navaro as a "muscle nugget'. He still does that thing where he talks to the riders on behalf of the collective voice. I could go on but suffice it to say that if austerity is a consideration for the FWT (which it would certainly appear to be), how about they save some money on that dudes salary and have dead air instead of him. Buddy needs to shut the f@ck up. Lorraine was decent IMO. I vote Martin and Lorraine for Kicking Horse.

    The triumph of style. Tabke had the back flip and ticked the gnar box in the horseshoe zone, but what really defined his run was style and smooth skiing. More than anyone (and even he had a bobble), he made the snow look good (which it sure as f@ck wasn't). And when you soar through the air like a Flyin' Hawaiian, you're going to get rewarded.

    Bilous with that Eder-esque falling mega float!

    Pollard and the fall line!

    That Horseshoe area was cool. Would have liked to have seen more action in there. Cool run out to the cliff bad.

    What would Bimboes do on that venue? #WWBD

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    Quote Originally Posted by powdork View Post
    If so it was a long lasting one. I was told I could draft him
    Too old for the draft!

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    Freeride World Tour - 2020

    I only watched the menís skiing (obviously), which is always entertaining, but if these guys are supposed to be the best in the World, the standard of skiing was pathetic. The variable snow and less than perfect light (more so for some, including Turdell) showed up who can (Tabke, Barkered, Pollard, Freeland) and canít (Bilous, Marshall, Ottner, Hall, Sasaki, Renvall) actually hold a smooth balanced arc through a turn. I figure the winners in last weekendís junior comp held here would have placed mid field.
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    The go pro footage reveals how truly bad the snow was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    At the risk of belaboring the point, WSL's 2020 schedule includes stops at the bustling population centers of G-Land, Pipeline and Teahupoo, all of which will be live-streamed. The "these places are remote and hard to broadcast from" argument is seriously weak.
    WSL just points their cameras at one spot. Filming a big, complicated mountain is a lot more challenging than filming where Pipe breaks every-single-time. Unless they go backdoor, and then there is a second place where the wave breaks - so hosting live requires a lot less camera/production. Plus funding per altacoup.

    ETA: I do wish it was streamed live, but I'm fine with this format. It was a good show.

    Anyway, fun comp on a mediocre venue with challenging snow. My daughters loved watching the women's ski - Hedvig blew their minds!

    Congrats ALTO!
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    I don't care that much about it being a live broadcast, but what about the old format where you could click ahead to each rider's run? That whole setup was really cool. Why get rid of that too? Or is it somewhere else and I'm missing it?

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    ^^^ If you click on the replays section of the FWT site you can access the dot thing. I dig that feature as well. I find skipping around and watching the runs in the finish order gives an interesting perspective on the judging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    What a boring ass venue
    I found it interesting. There were features I could relate to, and some of them scared me. It's not the Bec for sure. That center pepper island of cliffs was rad, too bad only a few went near there. Why would you though, as they judging is about loose sends and who can add in a ton of 3s to their runs. I couldn't believe how many some of these guys were trying to cram in.

    Wish the dude that SENT that lincoln held on. That would have been bonkers.

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    Fun to watch. Way better venue than last year's Japan stop. The snow seemed tough, and with a lot of the guys, it seemed like more luck than skill in terms of getting a bobble free run. We all know Turdell can crush, but he made it look hard. Some of the guys that were smoothest I think just got lucky with slightly better snow where it mattered. Of course, some of them are just smooth motherfuckers (Tabke, Barkered). Thought Pollard should've been on the podium, and there were a couple of outliers, but for the most part I thought the judging was pretty consistent.

    Psyched to see Malakov back in the mix, even if his run wasn't anything spectacular. He's always fun to watch. And Bilous - yeah, looking forward to watching him this season.

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    I think Neil Williman is excellent, but he and McFly were much better together. Maybe he and Lorraine just need to find their feet together. Also, the live/not live format may have made for a slightly awkward atmosphere.

    Can't really argue with the top 3. They all impressed me hugely in different ways, but Hank Bilous definitely looks like he'll make a huge impact. Far canal, he sent it! And he can most definitely hold onto a proper turn in tricky snow; that's what you learn skiing in NZ.

    I'm trying to imagine him at Bec des Rosses, knowing that he does not hold back. Yikes!

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    Fuck yeah, Alto. Such a joy to watch and glad to see you on the podium.

    I miss the energy of the true live broadcast. Notice they didn't show the judging category scale?

    Reine was way overscored. That made no sense to me. Smooth and pretty, yes, inspired? Exciting? Podium-worthy? Not so much.

    Bilous' flung cat mega transfer was badass and fun to watch, but I'd bet dollars to donuts it wasn't intentional (not that it matters). Looked to me like he came in a little hot to that ridge and just sent it because to try to shut it down would have slammed him into the opposite wall.

    TH's flying elbow, baggy-ass, afterbang-y, steeze looks dated and out of place. He's a legend at what he does, and deservedly so, but this ain't it.

    Hakuba Valley paid a lot of money and are on contract to host the FWT for a while. It ain't going anywhere, good venues or not.

    I'd like to see a live (live) stream, warts and all, and a condensed version for the masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kootenayskier View Post
    I only watched the menís skiing (obviously), which is always entertaining, but if these guys are supposed to be the best in the World, the standard of skiing was pathetic. The variable snow and less than perfect light (more so for some, including Turdell) showed up who can (Tabke, Barkered, Pollard, Freeland) and canít (Bilous, Marshall, Ottner, Hall, Sasaki, Renvall) actually hold a smooth balanced arc through a turn. I figure the winners in last weekendís junior comp held here would have placed mid field.
    I love internet dudes commenting skiing skills of FWT athletes. You would probably shit your Goretex pants just from looking down the venue course, not even talking about dropping in in flatish light and mediocre snow with the premise to hit some features underway.
    IĎd suspect all those guys know how to arc a clean turn for fuck sake.

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    Pretty much worst announcers ever. Sounds like they were commentating a golf tournament. Had to shut them off after the first rider. Would love to see this presented like Red Bull does Rampage or even DH mtb. Does Cam McCaul know anything about skiing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by roQer View Post
    I love internet dudes commenting skiing skills of FWT athletes. You would probably shit your Goretex pants just from looking down the venue course, not even talking about dropping in in flatish light and mediocre snow with the premise to hit some features underway.
    IĎd suspect all those guys know how to arc a clean turn for fuck sake.
    not to mention that the junior comps get on course inspection and the venues are typically inbounds and they can have them pretty dialed.


    How does visual inspection work these days? Do they just get to look from a vantage or is there recent drone footage to look at? Can competitors send up their own drone to scope a line first person like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Artist Formerly Known as Leavenworth Skier View Post
    Announcers seemed to grasping at straws to say anything complimentary about the women's snowboarding. Astoundingly low level riding.

    My wife commented "it doesn't even seem like most of women snowboarders are aware they are in a competition, most aren't even linking fluid turns."
    There are some really good women snowboarders out there, it will be interesting to see if the FWT equal pay will help up the level of competition in that category over the next couple years. Definitely enjoyed watching the women skiers ski hard the more great content the better. IMO Emma Patterson's crash was the biggest out there and it's hard to crash like that without shredding.

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    ^^^that tomahawk was crazy. glad she came out ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by powdork View Post
    How does visual inspection work these days? Do they just get to look from a vantage or is there recent drone footage to look at? Can competitors send up their own drone to scope a line first person like?
    I believe all of the above are involved. Athlete lounges typically have a big screen with lots of photos and footy which get a lot of attention, and of course riders generate their own content to inspect as well.
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    A 7 year olds view


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    Quote Originally Posted by mmmm...pow! View Post
    Pretty much worst announcers ever. Sounds like they were commentating a golf tournament. Had to shut them off after the first rider. Would love to see this presented like Red Bull does Rampage or even DH mtb. Does Cam McCaul know anything about skiing?
    I agree 100% with this. My girlfriend and I were laughing every time they would say something because it felt like they were announcing a tennis match. Iím not sure if it had to do with it being they were announcing a replay but it all felt kind of forced.

    I liked the pace of the replay though, it made for easy viewing, but it lacked some of the things that I like most about watching these. Iím convinced the announcers were the main problem.

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    At least the phrase "to the bolts" was only uttered once.

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    I thought the announcers were decent? Good enough? Definitely didn't bother me. Watched men's skiing and Victor's run in snowboarding. Bilous gap and Tabke were the highlights, love seeing that dude float steezy straight airs, so composed.

    Venue was okay-ish but horrible snow and some flat light. I doubt venues are lining up to pay to host so props to FWT for locking Hakuba in, remember this thing has to be profitable.

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    Considering the conditions, I thought the skiing was pretty solid overall. Tanner Hall was putting together a pretty nice run before the crash. I do think Pollard should have made the podium but overall fine with the judging and Tabke was clearly the winner, although they really do need to be careful about not docking the early riders in the group too harshly.

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    Drew's run was pure stoke to me. I was surprised how few people went down that steep cliff portion of the course toward the bottom. Bilous typical Kiwi style makes me smile...akin to the days of Geoff Small airing uphill into a chute competing on the Cirque at Kirkwood in the late 90's. Damn I'm getting old.

    I like Neil but him with Lorraine doesn't work for me at all in regards to the commentary. However, I think the filming was done well especially when throwing in some of the riders' GoPro footage on the replays.

    As an old competitor in the extreme events...it was definitely nerve-racking waiting for your run. Not knowing if your cliff would be bomb-holed, praying you remember your line, pressure to stick a landing, hoping the visibility holds, knowing that they were filming, crowd watching you...its quite a lot.

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