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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheK12 View Post
    Really liking the range of motion. Are people touring with tongues on and off? And with off, any tips on an efficient process. Seems overly fiddly to put the tongues back on and rebuckle.
    Always tongues off for me. Once you do it a few times it's pretty quick.

  2. #152
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    I keep my tongues on a cheap carabiner on the side of my hip belt...it dramatically speeds up your transitions if you can avoid opening your pack.

    Here's my process:
    1. Flip over risers, stomp down heel to click in
    2. Rip skins (while keeping skis on, takes a little practice at first but so much faster and minimizes icing issues)
    3. Put skins inside jacket
    4. Take tongues off carabiner
    5. Bend over once and flip down walk lever, install tongue, buckle, crank power strap, and unlock toes

  3. #153
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dshack89 View Post
    I keep my tongues on a cheap carabiner on the side of my hip belt...it dramatically speeds up your transitions if you can avoid opening your pack.

    Here's my process:
    1. Flip over risers, stomp down heel to click in
    2. Rip skins (while keeping skis on, takes a little practice at first but so much faster and minimizes icing issues)
    3. Put skins inside jacket
    4. Take tongues off carabiner
    5. Bend over once and flip down walk lever, install tongue, buckle, crank power strap, and unlock toes
    Nice! Thanks!
    The K-12 dude. You make a gnarly run like that and girls will get sterile just looking at you - Charles De Mar

  4. #154
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    Anybody here have a 100 last foot able to ski these? I'm looking to replace my Panterra 120's with a boot I can do short tours in without killing downhill. I'm realizing that i'm swimming in my 26.5 Panterras width wise, with 2cm in the back. Also wondering if they are too still for a 155lb advanced skier who is working on getting more aggressive. The Lupo AX HD has been suggested earlier as an option, but i'm worried about the flex.

  5. #155
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZskibum View Post
    Anybody here have a 100 last foot able to ski these? I'm looking to replace my Panterra 120's with a boot I can do short tours in without killing downhill. I'm realizing that i'm swimming in my 26.5 Panterras width wise, with 2cm in the back. Also wondering if they are too still for a 155lb advanced skier who is working on getting more aggressive. The Lupo AX HD has been suggested earlier as an option, but i'm worried about the flex.
    You realize the Pro HD and AX HD are very different fits, right? (But both are significantly lower volume than your current Panterra).

    Feet have different levels of compressibility, people define pain in different ways, and different skiers have different performance requirements, but the AX 100mm last is fairly roomy. I would guess any of the 98mm Lupos would be a better starting point, even if they may require a little shell work - that would include the Pro HD, 130 C, and Factory.

    Normally I would say 155 lbs. is at the low end of the weight spectrum for an "advanced" skier "working" on improving in any of these 130 flex Lupos - is there a reason you are stuck on Dalbello?

  6. #156
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregL View Post
    is there a reason you are stuck on Dalbello?
    Good reasons might include: You get them for free, you love how a 3-piece design skis, you have a tall instep and have trouble getting into some of the other boots in this class, you like a really upright stance . . .

  7. #157
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregL View Post
    Good reasons might include: You get them for free, you love how a 3-piece design skis, you have a tall instep and have trouble getting into some of the other boots in this class, you like a really upright stance . . .
    GregL, I appreciate your time on this

    I don't know enough to say much about upright or not, but I do ski a bit of park (just straight air jumps) so I was told that the upright stance is good for that. Maybe that's wrong.

    I guess I don't have a reason to be married to Dalbello at all, honestly. There are things I like about my Dalbellos, but they are really my first serious pair of boots, so I have very little knowledge compared to many of you. I do want to prioritize downhill, and I keep hearing good things about that in the Lupo line.

    The reason I was thinking I needed more flex was that as the day goes on, I find my self bucking to the max, cranking down on my booster strap, just to get more responsiveness out of my 120s, especially in heavy snow/not groomed snow.

    I'm also considering the Cochise 130 since it's also in the same class.

  8. #158
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    What class are we talking about? 130 flex "tourable" boots with excellent downhill capabilities?

    Everyone makes one. For next year there's the Atomic Hawx Ultra/Prime XTD, Tecnica Zero G Tour Pro/Cochise 130, Lange XT3 130/LV, Salomon Shift 130, Nordica Strider 130, Dalbello Lupo 130 C/Pro HD, Rossignol Alltrack Elite 130, K2 Mindbender 130, Roxa R3 130 Ti, Head Kore 1, Full Tilt Ascendant, Fischer Ranger Free 130, Scarpa Maestrale RS/XT, Dynafit Hoji Free, etc. Many of these boots come in a 120 flex version also.

    I've never seen your foot, but some of these will be a better match for you than others. If you have fit issues, some will be easier for a bootfitter to remedy than others. In addition to stated last width, there is also toe box shape, midfoot and heel volume, instep height, cuff circumference, etc. - that's before you even consider the weight of the boot or the range of motion in the walk mode, or ramp/forward lean, or how well they ski compared to a pure alpine boot.

    That's where well-stocked shops and experienced bootfitters come in, hopefully they'll both be back in the fall.

  9. #159
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    Bit the bullet and ordered Pro HDs. My lift served boots are 27.0 FT seths (sixth toe punch) from many years ago, still ski pretty well, and 26.0 Cochise 130s for touring. Of these two, the fit of the Cochises are better out of the box, but they ski a lot worse than the seths. Overlap boots just aren't for me. Last pair of overlaps I liked were Ghosts.
    Also, the cochises don't jam too well with my 1st gen cast/sth setup with dyn toes, as in will not release at any DIN setting.

    Sizewise, I ordered 26.5 Pro HDs, as the BSL is closer to 310mm than the 27.5, and I prefer not redrilling when I can help it. Obviously never tried them on.

    Have a pair of Krypton branded powerwraps for lift served lying around, think I might be well served with just the lupos, as long as I can force a nice fit out of them.

    .

  10. #160
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    Lupo Pro HD thread

    Would love to hear how those Lupos end up footing your boot.

    Ghosts are my current resort boot, and fit great with a small punch for my interior right ankle.

    Canít try on boots right now. Hope to get to try boots this summer, but hoping to create a short list.

    Curious about the Cochise as well. I swam in those when I tried them on. Compared to the Ghosts, they seemed huge inside.

  11. #161
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    Offering a data point on the fit of the Lupo AX HD. I have a high instep and a relatively wide foot. My current resort boot is a Rossignol Alltrack 120 which has a stated 102mm last. Previous boot was a Lange XC 120, which is a Lange SX with a walk mode, and it also had a stated 102mm last (as I think the Lange's and Rossignols come from the same molds?). Both boots fit right out of the box for me and no boot work was needed other than using my custom foot beds. Anyway... Lupo AX HD's have a similar out of the box fit (as compared to the Lange and Rossignols); instep fit is spot on but they are a little tight around the forefoot.
    The K-12 dude. You make a gnarly run like that and girls will get sterile just looking at you - Charles De Mar

  12. #162
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    Ottime,
    I'll try to remember updating once I get them on my feet.

  13. #163
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    Otto, I came from the Ghost 130 and find the Lupo about the same. Like, very, very similar. I don't have them near me to A and B them but from what I recall, no work was really needed for either beyond a liner mold.
    For Sale:


    Dynastar Legend Factory 115 mounted 1x for 306mm Look Pivot

    Steeple 102 in a 184 mounted 1x for 302 Kingpins (mounting insert mishap though)

    Salomon Ghost 130 (Orange and Black Model Year) 26.5

    POC Auric Cut BC Spin XL

    https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...90#post5923890

    If you're in the Northeast and would like to borrow some Jigarex Plates I have:

    Rossi/Look plates
    Salomon Warden 13 plates
    Marker Kingpin Plates

  14. #164
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregL View Post
    What class are we talking about? 130 flex "tourable" boots with excellent downhill capabilities?

    Everyone makes one. For next year there's the Atomic Hawx Ultra/Prime XTD, Tecnica Zero G Tour Pro/Cochise 130, Lange XT3 130/LV, Salomon Shift 130, Nordica Strider 130, Dalbello Lupo 130 C/Pro HD, Rossignol Alltrack Elite 130, K2 Mindbender 130, Roxa R3 130 Ti, Head Kore 1, Full Tilt Ascendant, Fischer Ranger Free 130, Scarpa Maestrale RS/XT, Dynafit Hoji Free, etc. Many of these boots come in a 120 flex version also.

    I've never seen your foot, but some of these will be a better match for you than others. If you have fit issues, some will be easier for a bootfitter to remedy than others. In addition to stated last width, there is also toe box shape, midfoot and heel volume, instep height, cuff circumference, etc. - that's before you even consider the weight of the boot or the range of motion in the walk mode, or ramp/forward lean, or how well they ski compared to a pure alpine boot.

    That's where well-stocked shops and experienced bootfitters come in, hopefully they'll both be back in the fall.
    Thanks for the help. It's bugging me to wait, but patience is a virtue. Just a bit bummed and frustrated with all the money I sank into getting my Panterra's to work.

    I have a normal instep just from some quick measurements (using the blister article method), but I could be way off. 100 last. My calves/ankles are skinny.
    Last edited by AZskibum; 04-28-2020 at 04:29 PM.

  15. #165
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    Will try posting a pic at some point, but my wife has no idea I bought new boots, and I prefer to keep it that way.

    Fit, on the forefoot, is awesome, much like the Cochises. Havent pulled the liners out yet for looking at the shell fit, but the liners were thin enough to let me in out of the box. Will obviously bake them, both for the tour liners and my powerwraps.

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