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  1. #1051
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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    FWIW, According to my reading of the squaw press release, a beacon would not have helped.
    Yeah, I kind of assumed it was trauma from tumbling over rocks, etc. - the coverage over on that face was well behind most of the mountain / resort. Ugh, that's just horrible.

    This is in NO way placing any blame on the victims, obviously, but the next time conditions are like this I'm going to pay closer attention to run-out zones since a beacon can't save you from rocks / trees. Something I will certainly keep in mind.

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    Skiing with a buddy at S@T and that crust layer was super noticeable. In windier areas it made for less consistent skiing, and in sheltered areas you could rip off small cohesive slabs below boulders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest_Hemingway View Post
    I realize there is not much hope for a bullfighting forum. I understand that most of you would prefer to discuss the ingredients of jacket fabrics than the ingredients of a brave man. I know nothing of the former. But the latter is made of courage, and skill, and grace in the presence of the possibility of death. If someone could make a jacket of those three things it would no doubt be the most popular and prized item in all of your closets.

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    The Official 19/20 Tahoe Ski Snowboard Thread. Plus bonus Bootfitting Recs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaster View Post
    Scary stuff, ECTP's in the backcountry as well. Also i'm not sure the video statement from Placer Co sherriff saying "This is an area of the resort that is an advanced skier area and at this point there is no reason to believe any other area of the resort or alpine meadows is in jeopardy" is doing anyone any favors. https://twitter.com/PlacerSheriff/status/1218269975112085504
    Ya uh huh. While certainly an area capable of sliding, itís one I never give a second thought about post control work.

    The crown didnít look particular large, but carried them right into the trees causing lots of trauma and unsettling screaming. Not a great day.
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    ^^^ So awful to hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest_Hemingway View Post
    I realize there is not much hope for a bullfighting forum. I understand that most of you would prefer to discuss the ingredients of jacket fabrics than the ingredients of a brave man. I know nothing of the former. But the latter is made of courage, and skill, and grace in the presence of the possibility of death. If someone could make a jacket of those three things it would no doubt be the most popular and prized item in all of your closets.

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    Such a bummer. Was wondering what the heli and ambulance was about when we were walking up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcski View Post
    The crown didn’t look particular large, but carried them right into the trees causing lots of trauma and unsettling screaming. Not a great day.
    Yeah, that part was haunting. We were riding up Scott right as the event happened. Didn't see it but sure heard it.

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    The Official 19/20 Tahoe Ski Snowboard Thread. Plus bonus Bootfitting Recs!

    S@T opened grandview at 8:30 this morning for passholders, managed 4th chair and had 6 really good laps before it got to crowded for my taste.

    Lacking seeing any naturals avys on the way up and a good late afternoon report from yesterday at Waterhouse decided to poke around in the BC a bit. After climbing 1000 feet of vert I pulled the plug because of to many red flags, whooping, shooting cracks, poor pit results and a visual of a natural slide which occurred in the trees. As I transitioned to ski a safe route back down I got a call about the inbounds avy fatality at alpine meadows, RIP fellow skier, use a lot of caution out there!

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    Wow tragic news at Alpine, makes me sick to my stomach. Stay safe out there y'all.

    Squaw was deepo in many spots today but still a surprising amount of ice and rock lurking beneath. Interesting conditions. Saw a lot of people setting off small slabs.

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    Super sad to hear he passed away, I saw him getting chest compressions and immediately got shivers. Sure doesnít seem like a ton could have been done on his part besides not skiing today, anyone have any tips on how to avoid situations like these besides not skiing (in terms of inbounds avalanches)? Obviously try to ski one at a time on avalanche prone terrain, but even then, injuries resulted from trauma due to the surrounding environment and not due to being buried which skier separation canít help nor can a beacon/prove/shovel. Only thing I can think of is maybe an avy backpack....but even then youíre along for the ride. Just looking to possibly better my awareness of inbounds avalanche terrain and personal skills. Thoughts out to the friends and family of the skiers affected.

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    The Alpine news does put a damper on a decent pow day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by morphintoskittle View Post
    Super sad to hear he passed away, I saw him getting chest compressions and immediately got shivers. Sure doesn’t seem like a ton could have been done on his part besides not skiing today, anyone have any tips on how to avoid situations like these besides not skiing (in terms of inbounds avalanches)? Obviously try to ski one at a time on avalanche prone terrain, but even then, injuries resulted from trauma due to the surrounding environment and not due to being buried which skier separation can’t help nor can a beacon/prove/shovel. Only thing I can think of is maybe an avy backpack....but even then you’re along for the ride. Just looking to possibly better my awareness of inbounds avalanche terrain and personal skills. Thoughts out to the friends and family of the skiers affected.
    Terrain management. Just like in the bc, you always have to ask yourself, what would happen if I'm wrong and it slides?

    Strainers and terrain traps should always be on your mind. Big flush lines are way more forgiving, trees aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark View Post
    Terrain management. Just like in the bc, you always have to ask yourself, what would happen if I'm wrong and it slides?

    Strainers and terrain traps should always be on your mind. Big flush lines are way more forgiving, trees aren't.
    but is considering all of those factors really going to influence your (or anybodiesí) decisionmaking about skiing inbounds in avi mitigated areas?

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    No, and that's what makes this so real. I would ski exactly that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    but is considering all of those factors really going to influence your (or anybodiesí) decisionmaking about skiing inbounds in avi mitigated areas?
    Guessing the odds of hitting a tree / rock etc and dieing are about the same or higher than dieing in an inbound avy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    Guessing the odds of hitting a tree / rock etc and dieing are about the same or higher than dieing in an inbound avy?
    My spitball guess is that the odds are higher, as you suggest.

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    Sorry to hear about this...


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    Quote Originally Posted by morphintoskittle View Post
    ...anyone have any tips on how to avoid situations like these besides not skiing (in terms of inbounds avalanches)? Obviously try to ski one at a time on avalanche prone terrain, but even then, injuries resulted from trauma due to the surrounding environment and not due to being buried which skier separation can’t help nor can a beacon/prove/shovel...
    2 skiers had severe outcomes in this case. I don't have any strong tips to decrease it from 2 down to 0, but don't downplay the "one at a time" strategy, even for trauma risks instead of burial risks. Not sure about all the details of this case, but maybe there might have been ways that they could have decreased it from 2 down to 1...which would still be a bad outcome, but at least not as bad as 2 men down.

    And who knows? It's possible that some slabs might hold 1 skier at a time without incident, but not hold the weight and impacts of 2 skiers descending at the same time.

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    which is why this ski patrol job is so difficult and stressful

    imagine someone getting hurt or killed on a route you just ran

    I think about that shit a lot

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    hug a patroller

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    but is considering all of those factors really going to influence your (or anybodies’) decisionmaking about skiing inbounds in avi mitigated areas?
    My son and I were skiing Flute at WB. One side of Sluie's had slid. My son decided to ski the other side; I went elsewhere. Perhaps my decision was based on the fact that the run is named after a guy killed there, prior to the time the slope was controlled. On run 2 my son cut into a slope under a big cornice, I went elsewhere. My son is an ex-Squaw pro patroller. I have no formal avalanche training except beacon training. Neither slope slid.

    I've skied at Squaw on a day when there was a patroller at the top of KT checking everyone for a beacon, but they weren't requiring them, just warning. There are certainly places where skiing with gear and a partner is mandatory. When we skied Big Couloir at Big Sky we skied one at a time.

    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    Guessing the odds of hitting a tree / rock etc and dieing are about the same or higher than dieing in an inbound avy?
    So by skiing an avalanche prone slope you double your chance of dying. I can't recall every skiing death in this area over the last 40 years but I'd say that the numbers killed in a crash are higher than the number killed by slides, but not orders of magnitude higher.

    Quote Originally Posted by ~mikey b View Post
    which is why this ski patrol job is so difficult and stressful

    imagine someone getting hurt or killed on a route you just ran

    I think about that shit a lot
    Imagine a patroller with a family getting killed so that the rest of us can have fun. There's been three around here in recent years, one while my son was working (he was off that day). I think about that a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~mikey b View Post
    hug a patroller
    I try, but he won't let me. My other son will do bro hugs but not this one. He only hugs his girlfriend and his dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~mikey b View Post
    which is why this ski patrol job is so difficult and stressful

    imagine someone getting hurt or killed on a route you just ran

    I think about that shit a lot
    I hear ya Mike.
    About 10 yrs ago at Mt Hood Meadows, Patrol was concerned about slides in the Clarks and Heather drainages that converge into one path. So they shot the area with their howitzer.
    Nothing
    So they sent over a couple of AC guys to check more. They threw hand charges, cut, stomped, dug pits, etc.
    Nothing
    So they opened the area. People skied on it all day
    Nothing
    That night it slid -big - like a 10’ crown, take out the lower lift terminal big.
    The release was just above the spot where the howitzer rounds landed.

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    They're still bombing at Sugar Bowl this morning.

    A couple of years ago after a huge storm I counted 35 bomb holes on a little slope at Squaw a couple hundred yards wide and maybe 500 vertical feet high. It didn't slide. (The area looker's left of Tower 16, I forget the name.)

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    we made a lot of bomb holes yesterday and had a few good slides.

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    MT Rose, Slide parking lot is full. I got here just before 9:00 a.m. and it was almost full then. I was hoping that a few more people would have their passes blacked out this weekend. Business is good.

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