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  1. #76
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    We are not going to war with Iran, and defiantly not over a improvised attack against a non-NATO or five-eyes country who is currently in a proxy war with Iran.

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    It's a gas log fireplace , he needs the ambiance to get laid. AP is rush shipped from whomever has it in stock. Thank Bezos for the carbon hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    Is that my weed coming from the ups-amazon drone, or sweet death coming from the google-DEA assassination drone?

    I should put that sentence on a business card for when people are like “awww, you guys aren’t having any kids?”
    Couldn't it be both?
    Sweet Death is a good name for a weed strain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steepconcrete View Post
    Nice shooting, I'm impressed. I do kind of buy the direction argument after seeing these- but I guess that's why they released them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirVicSmasher View Post
    They seem to have us on a leash
    Quote Originally Posted by Bromontane View Post
    The relationship is far closer than I'd like to see it but that's not really accurate.... Saudis are on their own in the ME; we have our own oil.
    The leash is not a petrochemical, but nuclear one. US knows the saudi ambitions to aquire nuclear knowhow (and reactors...and weapons) and they know it would be the proverbial can of worms in the middle east. Currently saudis can milk US with this approach. Even if both know that saudis would go public with their nuclearisation program, US would start to change the regime.

    The floggings will continue until morale improves.

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    It's all speculative:

    - There's evidence the strike might have originated in Iraq or even Iran. Mike Pompeo says there's no evidence the attacks came from Yemen

    - The attack might not have been drones at all

    - The Houthi used cruise missiles based on an Iranian design in a June 2019 attack

    https://www.armscontrolwonk.com/arch...et-the-quds-1/
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    Quote Originally Posted by steepconcrete View Post


    Conspiracy time.

    Look at that shot group. Precisely targeted, definitely programmed in advance.

    I found the plant on satellite- the bearing of the lines I guessed were around 274.2° True 270.6° Magnetic.

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    Stretching them out does not go anywhere near Yemen. I've been known to take bad bearings, but I doubt these came from inside Iran. Probably fired from a ship.




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    Senior U.S. official to ABC:
    "Iran launched nearly a dozen cruise missiles and over 20 drones from its territory in the attack on a key Saudi oil facility."

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    If that’s true, they’ve lost their fucking minds.

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    Haha, if that's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    We are not going to war with Iran, until Trump needs some kind of national emergency to postpone the 2020 November election he is about to lose... and be indicted immediately afterwards..
    Fixed it for you. We will be going to war with Iran, North Korea, or both in about a year the way things look right now. Bolton was probably canned for wanting to play that Trump card too soon.
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    What is Iran is angling for WWIII for $500 Alex?
    watch out for snakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromontane View Post
    Saudis could attack Karg. Or disrupt Iranian export traffic. Or send a bunch of suicide bombers to Iraq proxy-style.
    I mean, the Saudis do know how to plan for and fly planes into buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SB View Post
    Those boys sure got a good bang for their buck.
    Plus the profits they probably made on all the crude futures they bought before the attack.

    Also, what's the chance Elon Musk is behind all this? They probably have a secret drone mfg facility at the Gigafactory.

    Puregravity did an excellent job ferreting out the cable mystery at Sea to Sky. We should put him on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garbowski View Post
    Conspiracy time.

    Stretching them out does not go anywhere near Yemen. I've been known to take bad bearings, but I doubt these came from inside Iran. Probably fired from a ship.
    I thought one of the key features of drones and cruise missiles was that they didn't have to fly in a perfectly straight line to hit their mark. They can turn and change directions pretty easily. Doing so helps them evade countermeasures... and could make the launch site more difficult to ascertain..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garbowski View Post
    Conspiracy time.

    Look at that shot group. Precisely targeted, definitely programmed in advance.

    I found the plant on satellite- the bearing of the lines I guessed were around 274.2° True 270.6° Magnetic.

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    Stretching them out does not go anywhere near Yemen. I've been known to take bad bearings, but I doubt these came from inside Iran. Probably fired from a ship.




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    Seems pretty thin. More likely that the last couple kilometers were traveled from that direction due to an exploitable gap in defenses at the facility.

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    So, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we achieve energy independence by fracking the shit out of the place so we didn't have to get into some shooting war in the middle east?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain View Post
    So, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we achieve energy independence by fracking the shit out of the place so we didn't have to get into some shooting war in the middle east?
    Relax, we have corn and algae now. And cars that plug in.
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    And e bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SB View Post
    What is Iran is angling for WWIII for $500 Alex?
    Hmmmm.....whats the rogue petrochemical dependent country that requires a minimum of $75 barrel oil to balance its budget? You know, the one whose utterly corrupt leadership is facing increasing political dissent because the collapse in oil prices crippled their economy. Remember those guys, those gangsters who rose to power blowing up apartment towers in a false flag operation? Yeah....I forget....remind me again....who were those guys?

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    Where's puredepravity when you need him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberridge View Post
    Where's puredepravity when you need him?
    So you're saying Iran cut the gondola cable?
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    I been getting a oil n gas insider blurb sent to me every week for at least 5 years, a cocktail napkin view of whats happening in the industry world wide, what kind of thing are happening to affect the price , how many full VLCC are sitting in the english channel with no where for the oil to go, the US rig count, civil wars, terrorists ect

    basicly it has been saying the price of a barrel of oil is low because the world is awash in oil

    this outage will be good for the price of oil
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