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09-12-2019, 11:07 AM #1Registered User
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Tecnica Zero G Tour Front Lug damage
So I noticed this damaged to the front lug after the my last day of the season, back in April, and definitely wasn't there in the morning. There wasn't any rock scrambling or kicking steps that day, was inbounds and mellow. Was ridding them on Marker Lord SP's that were adjusted just for this boot.
Are these things now fucked for reliably putting them into alpine bindings? Any thoughts on warrantying them?
TLDR; Ski faster. Quit breathing. Don't crash.
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09-12-2019, 12:08 PM #2
I would definitely try to warranty. Also, don't ski Markers.
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09-12-2019, 12:31 PM #3Registered User
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Angle parking did something like that ^^ but it was from running a chainsaw wearing his ski boots
he got warranty for some other reason so the chainsaw divots didn't seem to matter
buddy is really hard on equipmentLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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09-12-2019, 12:58 PM #4Registered User
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09-12-2019, 07:59 PM #5
Wasn't being glib. I've seen Markers tear up heels plenty. Now I've seen them tear up toes.
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09-12-2019, 11:59 PM #6
Given the way the Royal family heels dig into Pebax on the sides of the heel lugs, I'd be curious how much the "keyed" interlock between the heel lug and the heel piece increases horizontal toe release values.
Edit: the 2019 ZeroG boots aren't Pebax, just making a point about Pebax touring shells.Last edited by 1000-oaks; 09-13-2019 at 11:58 AM.
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09-13-2019, 10:30 AM #710 out of 10
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Pebax= good flex/feel, lightweight, not very durable. Happens to all the brands who are using it, especially in a non traditional tech binding/alpine binding.
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09-13-2019, 11:38 AM #8
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09-13-2019, 01:47 PM #9Registered User
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09-13-2019, 03:28 PM #10
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09-13-2019, 10:46 PM #11
Tecnica says "Polyester" for the cuff on the Scout, but probably it is a polyurethane-ester TPU, likely purchased from the German company Covestro (formerly Bayer Material Science). To be Pebax you need to buy the plastic from Arkema and they will call it out in the product literature because it costs more.
Pebax was used in a bunch of boots a few years ago, from Black Diamond, Dynafit and Scarpa but it's currently lost traction and seems to be mostly used in K2 family products like Mindbender cuffs and Full Tilt tongues.
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09-15-2019, 09:40 AM #12u
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I have the newest Zero G Tour Pros. I tried them in some Wardens MNCs last year for 3 days and got some damage like the OP, but not nearly as bad. So is that just what happens using a boot like this in any of the compatible alpine bindings? I almost only tour (with tech bindings), but had had been thinking about getting skis with Wardens to tool around the resort with my kids. But I'm kinda afraid of destroying them...
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09-16-2019, 07:08 AM #13
Comparing Grilamid crossover boots in alpine bindings (I used Warden 13's almost exclusively when not touring) is interesting - the Grilamid formulas are all different. None of them are anywhere near as dent and scratch resistant as an old fashioned PU or PU-Ether shell.
The first generation Zero G Guide Pro got beat badly in about 30 days, the Atomic Hawx Ultra 130 XTD held up well for the same period of time, the Lange XT 130 Free is in between. Trying to not use the new Zero G Tour Pros except with tech bindings if I can, but this year they will spend some time in Shifts. We'll see.
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09-16-2019, 09:00 AM #14
Greg fyi I used ZGTP approx 30 days in Shifts without noticeable wear
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09-16-2019, 11:50 AM #15
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09-16-2019, 11:55 AM #16
Gotta wonder about the actual release and retention properties if everything was properly adjusted, toe wing width, height, forward pressure, etc and that still happened just skiing in them. If there was enough slop for that to happen, you're probably lucky it didn't Marker out on you at a very bad time..
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09-17-2019, 12:59 AM #17
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09-17-2019, 02:10 AM #18Registered User
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