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  1. #1651
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    Seems like EV's hit a price point where the consumer said, "no thanks."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/b...smid=url-share
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    From the comments

    "If you can afford $90,000 for a pick up truck, then you don't need a pick up truck."

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    Electric car thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
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    "If you can afford $90,000 for a pick up truck, then you don't need a pick up truck."
    Tell that to my SIL, she just bought an $85K 2WD half-ton with a small diesel.🤷


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    The big three have a long history of convincing people that they need a pickup. It's the one vehicle type they excel at, and R&D costs are comparatively low. For a while they disguised their pickups as SUVs (eg. 1st gen Ford Explorer was based on the Ranger pickup, and Chevy Blazers were based on the S-10 pickups. Tahoe was based on the full sized pickup platform) But at some point they convinced women that they didn't need SUVs (probably by adding full sized back seats) so they switched to pickups.

    In my town, it's all Subarus, Toyotas, and Teslas. But just beyond the city limits, there are lots of his/hers full sized pickups in the driveways.

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    My wife's BIL bought a Ford Lightening, but he is able to write it off with as part of his small HVAC company's business expense. She drove it the other day and was quite impressed with how it drives. But the average person still can't afford most of the EV's out there. Especially the EV trucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    From the comments

    "If you can afford $90,000 for a pick up truck, then you don't need a pick up truck."
    GC for the well built, architect designed home down the block from me dailies an F150 Lightning. I stopped to talk to him about it when I saw him hooking a trailer with a mini-ex. He said it tows great with about 200miles of range on the extended battery and hasn't looked back since trading in his diesel. He said the cost for the electric vs. a new diesel was a wash and he expects to make plenty of money back over the the lifetime of the vehicle.

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    No EV vehicle yet (too cold and rural where I live to really pencil) but I did just score one of these at a deal through a friend. Should be delivered this week.

    https://ubco.com/

    Stoked to have it for errands, raft shuttling and for hunting. I've always refused to go the moto route hunting because there's nothing I hate more than archery hunting the backcountry and hearing a moto in the woods. But this little sucker should get me pretty deep while maintaining the peace. Having it on the raft trailer will be easy and I won't have to hitchhike back to the put-in anymore.



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    Nice. 2WD is interesting. TR expected.

    Just bought an ebike for the Mrs. And Wrong thread Jong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater View Post
    No EV vehicle yet (too cold and rural where I live to really pencil) but I did just score one of these at a deal through a friend. Should be delivered this week.

    https://ubco.com/

    Stoked to have it for errands, raft shuttling and for hunting. I've always refused to go the moto route hunting because there's nothing I hate more than archery hunting the backcountry and hearing a moto in the woods. But this little sucker should get me pretty deep while maintaining the peace. Having it on the raft trailer will be easy and I won't have to hitchhike back to the put-in anymore.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    When I win the lottery, Iím gonna buy 50 of those, and give them to my favorite 50 trail groups that are actually building and maintaining expert trails. Even if itís a pirate operation.
    Yeah man, they could seriously be an unobtrusive tool for good in a lot of ways. They can carry a lot of weight but are dead silent. Seems like it would benefit UBCO to outfit orgs like that to gain visibility and positive PR.

    I met a dude this weekend while hiking who rides around the sawtooth trail network on his e-bike clearing downed timber with an electric Milwaukee chainsaw. Just a civilian doing his part for the greater good and making very little noise or otherwise while doing it. Pretty cool. I'll be carrying a folding saw at a minimum in the same spirit.

    Now back to the four wheeled revolution.

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    Ubco. Never heard of those. Definitely could be an errand runner use for me, too. Around me, thereís a small fleet of e-xtracycles and the crew uses them for tow errands. This seems similar vain?

    Question: 30mph? What happens to an e-motorbike on steep descents? Iím hitting over 40 coasting down the hill to town (and back to home) on my road bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater View Post
    Yeah man, they could seriously be an unobtrusive tool for good in a lot of ways. They can carry a lot of weight but are dead silent. Seems like it would benefit UBCO to outfit orgs like that to gain visibility and positive PR.

    I met a dude this weekend while hiking who rides around the sawtooth trail network on his e-bike clearing downed timber with an electric Milwaukee chainsaw. Just a civilian doing his part for the greater good and making very little noise or otherwise while doing it. Pretty cool. I'll be carrying a folding saw at a minimum in the same spirit.

    Now back to the four wheeled revolution.

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    Upon further thought, this is America. They would probably all burst into lithium flame simultaneously, and burn down the great trail networks. I would get exposed as the culprit, and be beheaded on Tik-Tok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Upon further thought, this is America. They would probably all burst into lithium flame simultaneously, and burn down the great trail networks. I would get exposed as the culprit, and be beheaded on Tik-Tok.
    Marxist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    Ubco. Never heard of those. Definitely could be an errand runner use for me, too. Around me, thereís a small fleet of e-xtracycles and the crew uses them for tow errands. This seems similar vain?

    Question: 30mph? What happens to an e-motorbike on steep descents? Iím hitting over 40 coasting down the hill to town (and back to home) on my road bike.
    Our ebikes (sur ron & talaria) have regenerative coasting. In fact the talaria has 4 levels of regen so you can vary the amount of deceleration that you get depending on the conditions. For instance, we often do a ride to the top of the divide. On the ascent we ride with low regen so we can coast the flats but on the descent from the summit we turn it all the way up so we do way less braking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruiser View Post
    Our ebikes (sur ron & talaria) have regenerative coasting. In fact the talaria has 4 levels of regen so you can vary the amount of deceleration that you get depending on the conditions. For instance, we often do a ride to the top of the divide. On the ascent we ride with low regen so we can coast the flats but on the descent from the summit we turn it all the way up so we do way less braking.
    Thanks. All new info for me.

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    Tesla slashed the prices of the X base trim overnight to qualify for the tax credit. And a loaded X Plaid is now $50,000 less than late last year. I would imagine those folks who bought one last year are not too happy right now. Serious depreciation in less than a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruiser View Post
    Our ebikes (sur ron & talaria) have regenerative coasting. In fact the talaria has 4 levels of regen so you can vary the amount of deceleration that you get depending on the conditions. For instance, we often do a ride to the top of the divide. On the ascent we ride with low regen so we can coast the flats but on the descent from the summit we turn it all the way up so we do way less braking.
    Yeah, my short stint with the Surron I was impressed. (it was the wife's but she didn't like it) If that is the start, the next few years should be pretty awesome. I'm still planning on getting a Stark Varg or something similar as my next bike. Pretty sick of maintenance on my already low maintenance Yamaha and I'd love the tuning options that are available. That Tubco thing looks kinda dumb but I'm sure it'll sell OK to its target market.

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    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...lvo-ex30-ride/

    So it’s an AWD Geely platform that Volvo has tweaked into this ‘lifted Golf’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...lvo-ex30-ride/

    So it’s an AWD Geely platform that Volvo has tweaked into this ‘lifted Golf’.
    Thatís why Iím done with Volvo (after 4 Volvos). It doesnít matter how great it is. Iím not buying a Chinese car.

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    I put in a reservation for a Rivian on April 4th. I figured it would take a while. I had done enough research on ABRP to figure out that a Rivian large pack will work just fine for our Mammoth trips. It would be nice to have a bit more range, and it will be great when 400v architecture gets here, but the large pack would work.

    I configured a couple of weeks later, which surprised me. I went with the R1T, large pack, quad motor. That's the only one they would let me configure at the time. I figured I was a few months away. I was wrong, as it turned out.

    In late April, I got contacted for my test drive, which was awesome. I got an offer to finalize my configuration, which basically meant that my deposit was locked in and not refundable. I took the plunge. A few days later, I got the email that my car was ready for delivery. On May 4th I picked it up.

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    The guy went over a number of things. Among them, he told me DO NOT floor it, as it has 835 hp and goes from 0-60 in three seconds. He said the accelerator is toned down compared to a Tesla, even though it is faster than my model 3 was, and to get used to the feel and be gentle.

    He also showed me the air pumps in the bed for bikes, and said that there would be a part here in a few months to complete them, as they are not working yet. I have not gotten them yet, which fine as I really don't bike much. My guess is that having pumps in the bed will be nice for the serious mountain bikers. At some point, I will also get the cover for the bed. They are shipping them out, and I should get mine soon.

    Here is a photo of the dash screen:

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    What you are seeing are images of what is around the car. When a car is remotely close to your blind spot, the side of your car lights up on the screen. If you have your signal on, in the direction, it will give you a warning. It's definitely nice to have.

    Here are some shots of the touch screen:

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    The layout is really excellent. It's pretty easy to navigate around the options once you get used to it.

    I was wondering if the bed would be long enough for skis. It is, BARELY, but I think they hit the sweet spot. Here are a few shots. After the pics, I'll give dims on the skis, so folks can have an idea of the space.

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    The top photo shows a pair of 185 Armada JJs. They are around 115 underfoot, and while they do fit diagonally across the bottom, they need the bindings up and down, not sideways, if that makes sense. Obviously they do, barely fit.

    The second photo shows a pair of 184 Praxis RXs, obviously a customized top sheet. They are 116 underfoot, with slightly different rocker and taper compared to the JJs. They fit a bit more easily across the bottom.

    The third photo shows a pair of 182 Praxis Quixotes, a pair of 183 Praxis MVPs, and the RXs. While it's not easy, you CAN fit all three in the bed. You could then fit other bags on the side, although you would have to be creative.

    I THINK you could fit some 190/115 underfoot/rockered skis diagonally from the top to the bottom of the bed, but I'm not sure.

    When the cover comes, I'll update the info.

    My sense is that the bed is BARELY long enough. I don't need it any longer. For some with long skis it might make sense to get a rack, although obviously this decreases range.

    Here is a photo of the gear tunnel. The gear tunnel is awesome, one of my favorite things about the truck. The skis shown are my wife's Sheva 10, in a 156. They do fit in the tunnel, which is great.

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    The door does close, and you can fit other things if need be.

    I'll try and put together a review of more of the features when I get the chance. I'll talk about the driving and the navigation, a big deal in an EV obviously, and I'll review some of the other features. I did take one trip to Mammoth, and it talk two 15 minute stops to reach Mammoth lakes from Newport Beach with a 35% charge.

    There are RAN chargers in Inyokern, Olancha (brand new), and Bishop. The RAN chargers are fast, and FREE!!! I don't know how long that will last, but it is nice to make a 680 mile trip on a home charge and free charges. There is not an RAN (or EA, or EVgo....) charger in Mammoth lakes yet. When there is, you could arrive with a 10% charge and probably only have to charge for 20 minutes on the drive up. Obviously, if someone has a second home in Mammoth with a NEMA outlet they can charge in the garage, but our ski lease crew has always rented places with garages for the winter, or without the proper outlet.

    I also made the same trip as last year, to northern Michigan. I'm going to try and do a better writeup, with more details. I never really finished the last one. It's not as easy as with a Tesla, but very doable.

    Finally, here is a picture of the frunk, which is huge:

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    Last edited by Long duc dong; 09-25-2023 at 11:10 PM.
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    Looks sweet, love to hear your review.
    I really like these.

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    Yeah, looks fairly well thought out. Nice color choice too.

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    That's sweet and great looking truck.

    We just finished watching Long Way Up on Monday night and [despite a lot of ambiguity about how they charged/managed/shipped the Rivian's throughout the trip] I was impressed with how those pre-production trucks survived that trip "back" in 2019.

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    One form of landscape rape to another...

    Should be able to read this for free:
    $67 Billion of Rare Minerals Is Buried Under One of the Worldís Biggest Carbon Sinks
    https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/m...hare_permalink

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    Quote Originally Posted by east or bust View Post
    One form of landscape rape to another...

    Should be able to read this for free:
    $67 Billion of Rare Minerals Is Buried Under One of the World’s Biggest Carbon Sinks
    https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/m...hare_permalink
    Damn, dig that stuff up! It will all even out in the end with those rare minerals going into EV's!

    Also interested to get more driver reviews on that Rivian from Long duc dong. That had to have cost a pretty penny.
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