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11-03-2021, 06:00 PM #401Registered User
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50-55 = milking the charge??
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11-03-2021, 07:42 PM #402Registered User
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Biden’s tax credit for Union made only, is BS.
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11-03-2021, 09:47 PM #403
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11-04-2021, 06:40 AM #406Registered User
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^^ Working on alternatives like that now
Yup. Kinda like what I've done to skirt some of the other stupid regs here over the last 25 years.
Really? That's good to hear. Is there a significant power loss due to cord length? If I did something like this I'd need about 40-50 feet.
With only 5 dealerships in the whole county you'd figure they already know. My guess as they're in on it somehow. The Ford dealer is pretty hip to the alternative power thing, they are energy independent due to the solar field on the roof and hillside in the back. When they announced that 2 years ago the country imposed a $1k/mo fee on them (and any other business achieving that milestone in the future) to replace the tax revenue they lose from no more huge electric bills.
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11-04-2021, 07:42 AM #407
Yer gonna need a bigger boat. Just go to an RV place or a marina that deals with large yachts and tell them what's up. They will know what gauge you will need. You want to avoid voltage drop. There is a formula somewhere. It is gonna be a really thick heavy cord for best results.
If you wanna get really tricky, look into flexible 4/0 like my carnie customers use. It is a straight single leg. You would need 2 hots, a neutral, and a ground, so 4 separate cables of 40-50 ft each.. They hook this up with single pole connectors that are color coded. Best to make up your ground first. This is how they feed all the carnival rides from generator trucks far away from the customers. You may be able to get away with 2/0- the 4/0 is 400 amp rated. There is also a 150 amp version of this- not sure what wire size it takes. Obviously, running the tilt-a-whirl takes a lot more clean juice than charging a car does, but you get the idea.
If the county shows up, you can just tell them the single pole receptacle bank in your garage is for generator back feed. Make sure your good electrician that you find makes that story believable. You may have to have him install a manual switch. This would come in handy later if you actually needed to use the car as a gen set.
Come to think of it, that may be the trick- tell the county you are hooking up an electric generator. It just happens to be your car.
For a state that bans fracking, and talks the talk all the time, they sure do contradict themselves quite a bit. You would think they would be incentivizing electric vehicles, not trying to profit off the trend.
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11-04-2021, 09:37 AM #408
50A circuit. 50ft 8 gauge RV extension cord off Amazon (cost about $200 when I bought it). Charger is a 32A unit.
I don't know how much voltage loss there is, but not enough to significantly impact the charging effectiveness.
Edit: according to this calculator, voltage drop is around 1-2V
https://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html
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11-04-2021, 09:40 AM #409Registered User
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I’m trying to figure this out. from what I can tell there were additional adjustments made to the proposed spending bill yesterday. Tesla’s will be eligible for the 8k tax credit but not the $4500 union incentive.
Wifey just got a new job that really
makes a EV make sense for us. She’ll be commuting between multiple locations everyday(50-150mi) and the better ability (provide by a smart car) to multitask while doing so would be key. Because of where we live, something with a little more clearance and awd is a must. I’ve already got 220 in the garage, so setting up a charger should be easy.
Any suggestions other than a model Y to fill this nitch?
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11-04-2021, 11:02 AM #410Dad core
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I haven't followed the newest incentives but worth driving a ID4/Q4 etron and MachE in that bracket. I haven't driven the ford but the VW was decently nice and quite a bit cheaper than the tesla. I liked the model3 but am confused by how much worse the y drives. All that said we cheaped out and bought a used leaf that covered 99% of our second car needs.
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11-04-2021, 03:43 PM #411Registered User
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Good stuff. It was the onerous rules to use a generator that got me thinking about looking into the car charger. My neighbor put in a Generac 2 or 3 years ago and a $2500 generator ended up costing just under $12k before they finally approved it. 4" thick pad 15' from the house, propane tank on a pad 10' from that. New smart breaker panel in the house and all done by an approved electrician. This guy was a Verizon/NYNEX/ATT lineman for 30 years, he could do that without a problem but no... The states perceived progressive nature isn't really all that and in this they're powerless against the towns and counties.
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11-04-2021, 05:21 PM #412
people get upset because these rules make them spend money, but think about it this way:
"code required" is the worst quality you are legally allowed to build
read that again: the WORST most minimal quality you are legally allowed to build
that is for the homeowner's & the community's safety
then consider how happy a lineman is when he knows that some rogue genset isn't backfeeding 24kV to a downed line in a power outage;
or the neighbors can sleep safely knowing that some shitty install is not going to explode some day & burn the town down.
sorry your friend had to pay a professional, but at least acknowledge that the jurisdiction doesn't capriciously make shit up just to piss off the populace
it does suck that this stuff is expensive
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11-04-2021, 07:34 PM #413Registered User
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11-04-2021, 08:01 PM #414
This. These "regulations' are letting a few people overcharge for unnecessary services, and preventing other qualified people from getting work. It's a racket. It's taking advantage of the fact that electric cars are a status symbol for some rich people who can afford to waste a little extra money. It's not about keeping people safe.
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11-04-2021, 08:04 PM #415
Yup. Some building codes exist for legitimate safety reasons. This is not one of them.
Additionally, it will serve to deter people from EV ownership when we should be doing the exact opposite.
Electrical work with a permit and done by a licensed electrician? Fine. The 50ft away rule? Bullshit.
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11-04-2021, 08:12 PM #416______
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Let me guess. This mystery municipality also has a climate action plan that banks on electrifying some not insignificant amount of the private fossil fuel fleet in their community.
Doesn’t NEC cover most of this anyways?
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11-04-2021, 08:42 PM #417
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11-04-2021, 09:10 PM #418
I’m kind of confused by this.
I thought they were based on the same platform, and it just has extra height, and lifters under the seats. I watched a lot of YouTube videos about how they are made, (a taller 3), and actually a lot of the vids said it was better because of all the improvements they made on some of the wiring problems etc. they had with the 3.Well maybe I'm the faggot America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
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11-04-2021, 09:53 PM #419
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11-05-2021, 01:25 PM #420Dad core
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11-05-2021, 01:36 PM #421
Well, dang.
What made it interesting to me is one in-depth review took it apart and showed all the improvements they made to fix the screwup‘s in the 3. Maybe when I’m ready to buy, they’ll have implemented those changes in the 3 as well.
Of course then there will be an Ionic8, and long-range all-wheel-drive ID4, etc.Well maybe I'm the faggot America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
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11-11-2021, 07:47 AM #422
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11-11-2021, 07:56 AM #423
A modern garage has a fire rating…. There basically saying you need fire taped 5/8 gyp and a rated door to the garage.
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11-11-2021, 08:00 AM #424
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11-11-2021, 08:00 AM #425
Just say “I want a 240v 30a plug in my garage”
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