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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    Just say “I want a 240v 30a plug in my garage”
    Bingo. You're putting in a clothes dryer in there for all they know.

    I'd say better to ask forgiveness than ask permission on this one. Not that they'll ever know. Screw 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    Just say “I want a 240v 30a plug in my garage”
    50A, but yeah. You just want to plug in your welder or your air compressor or your clothes dryer or your turbo powered lesbostrap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    your turbo powered lesbostrap.
    FTW!

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    Sounds like 711 is making a big push to put DCFC charging stations at their stores. 250 stores by end of 2022. Seems like a no-brainer business move. They are going to sell a shit load of weenie roller dogs and nachos…

    I’ve been waiting to see one of the major gas station chains to make the same move but it doesn’t seem like any of them are being as aggressive…


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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    Sounds like 711 is making a big push to put DCFC charging stations at their stores. 250 stores by end of 2022. Seems like a no-brainer business move. They are going to sell a shit load of weenie roller dogs and nachos…

    I’ve been waiting to see one of the major gas station chains to make the same move but it doesn’t seem like any of them are being as aggressive…
    FINALLY! I'm surprised more haven't hopped on that. Seems all you'd have to do is install a handful of fast chargers, charge a reasonable markup over electric costs, and make a nice waiting area with tables and stuff to get people to spend lots of money inside your store. I'd go full on Buc-ee's + mass EV charge capabilities if I was in the gas station biz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    FINALLY! I'm surprised more haven't hopped on that. Seems all you'd have to do is install a handful of fast chargers, charge a reasonable markup over electric costs, and make a nice waiting area with tables and stuff to get people to spend lots of money inside your store. I'd go full on Buc-ee's + mass EV charge capabilities if I was in the gas station biz.
    Restaurant chains along interstates should also be doing this yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    Restaurant chains along interstates should also be doing this yesterday.
    Seriously. It'd be silly NOT to. There's some random pie shop / cutesy delicatessen café off of I-35 somewhere near Waco. Have probably a dozen Tesla superchargers and every time I've driven by there, they're all occupied with a line waiting. Last time I stopped by, girl working the counter told me they sell a shit ton of pies thanks to those superchargers. Win-win!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    I’ve been waiting to see one of the major gas station chains to make the same move but it doesn’t seem like any of them are being as aggressive…


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    give up prime real estate to customers that are going to be parked longer and spend the same or less money doesn’t seem a good plan on the immediate term. (Gas station average is like 5 minutes or something for an average visit, chargers currently multiples of that I think)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    give up prime real estate to customers that are going to be parked longer and spend the same or less money doesn’t seem a good plan on the immediate term. (Gas station average is like 5 minutes or something for an average visit, chargers currently multiples of that I think)
    You ever been to a Buc-ee's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    You ever been to a Buc-ee's?
    Q: does having a lot more pumps, to get a lot more business, mean if the average fill time increases you need to add more pumps? That’s 25MW if you do a straight replace 1 for 1 at peak load, all drawing.

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    EV chargers vs. gas pumps aren't a 1-to-1 replacement, at least that's not how you need to think about them from a business standpoint. Yes, a car will be parked for a much longer time at a charger - 30-45min, versus less than 5min at a gas pump. Gas stations and convenience stores are currently designed around 5min times - lots of stuff that you can grab really quickly then get on your way.

    The EV charger gives you a captive audience for a much longer time. That means you need to do things differently in order to keep their interest for that long, but also gives you a lot of opportunity to sell them more stuff if you do it right. But yeah, that requires business owners to be creative and come up with new ideas and do things differently than they always have, which many aren't very interested in.

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    Gas stations (Maplefield, Jolley) around here have become mini resteraunts any way. Got to have parking for that. The stores are already designed for people to hang out. Of course those two examples are very committed to gasoline.

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    Lots of the large gas stations around here (Montana) have shitty casinos attached to them. I'm surprised those places aren't jumping on the EV charging / captive audience train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Lots of the large gas stations around here (Montana) have shitty casinos attached to them. I'm surprised those places aren't jumping on the EV charging / captive audience train.
    Bad for business having people get up and leave just because their car is charged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Bad for business having people get up and leave just because their car is charged.
    But good business getting people in there that wouldn't have been there otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    But good business getting people in there that wouldn't have been there otherwise.
    Yeah, probably, I'm just being snarky since it's casinos and the only way they lose is if the odd winners have an arbitrary stopping point before they have a chance to give it all back. Seriously, the electric car charger should save some segments of in-person retail, if they can figure it out fast enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Yeah, probably, I'm just being snarky since it's casinos and the only way they lose is if the odd winners have an arbitrary stopping point before they have a chance to give it all back. Seriously, the electric car charger should save some segments of in-person retail, if they can figure it out fast enough.
    I just think the gas station casino thing is a great way to get some cross pollination between the Tesla crowd and the meth mouth contingent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    I just think the gas station casino thing is a great way to get some cross pollination between the Tesla crowd and the meth mouth contingent.
    That's exactly why time is of the essence. If they don't get on this there are going to be whole new classes of electric vehicle owners. Then Tesla starts bundling first class charger club memberships with Space-X lounge access and the opportunity will be gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    EV chargers vs. gas pumps aren't a 1-to-1 replacement, at least that's not how you need to think about them from a business standpoint. Yes, a car will be parked for a much longer time at a charger - 30-45min, versus less than 5min at a gas pump. Gas stations and convenience stores are currently designed around 5min times - lots of stuff that you can grab really quickly then get on your way.

    The EV charger gives you a captive audience for a much longer time. That means you need to do things differently in order to keep their interest for that long, but also gives you a lot of opportunity to sell them more stuff if you do it right. But yeah, that requires business owners to be creative and come up with new ideas and do things differently than they always have, which many aren't very interested in.
    As someone who lives in between the Bay and Tahoe I’m really intrigued by this idea. It’s like you need the business model of a truck stop but for desires and tastes of the 5%. Food, coffee (maybe in a co-op style) with a play area for kids of different ages.

    I don’t know if it is a core business yet. More like an add on to an existing customer service oriented business. Maybe a way to monetize parking lots that are located by a concentration of businesses / small downtowns. And will it also be made extinct soon when cars get 500+ miles a charge.

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    Pretty cool research on charging cable to enable full charge in the time it’d take to fill tank with gas: https://expeditionportal.com/ford-an...harging-cable/ Obvious caveats don’t need to be repeated…we are grownups here.

    Meanwhile the solid state battery revolution is getting such hudge investment, it’s gotta happen. Probably. :grin: But twice the energy density would be total game changer & would pretty much relegate ICE to dustbin of history. Still wouldn’t have energy density of diesel but would be good enough.

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    Electric car thread

    When I’m cruising on the highway and pass a e-car/truck that’s going pretty slow, like 50mph, is that because their cpu is telling them how fast they can go to make it to a charging area before running out? I’ve seen this a few times recently.

    Regarding charging retail locations. I think having them at typical stops next to really yummy eateries could work. I remember seeing a Tesla charging area in buttonwillow next to a pretty good Mediterranean place several years ago.

    Steady state batteries. Are they using cobalt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    When I’m cruising on the highway and pass a e-car/truck that’s going pretty slow, like 50mph, is that because their cpu is telling them how fast they can go to make it to a charging area before running out? I’ve seen this a few times recently.
    My Bolt does not have a feature that specifically says "this is how fast you can go to make it this charger." They might be trying to conserve range, or they might just be grandma driving.

    I drive on the freeway at 80-85mph just like I do in a gasoline car but I'm never really pushing the max range of the car.

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    Well the day finally arrived and the Thomas EV bus has been delivered, ABB 24kW Wallbox charger installed. Only $385k all-in, but we’re getting $285k back from the CO Dieselgate grant.

    Kids and adults are psyched. First in our valley and second on the Western slope. Very quiet and easy to operate. We’ll see how the 125mi listed range translates at 6000-9000’ here the winter

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    Super cool! Is that a decorative grill.

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    So... Electric vehicle. Hopefully some enterprising kids don't decide they want a day off and unplug them. My kids had a day off when they were in k-8 because some kids got some older brothers to unplug the diesel buses one night during a cold snap. You've been warned.

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