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Thread: Electric car thread
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11-11-2021, 09:01 AM #426
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11-11-2021, 09:29 AM #427
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11-11-2021, 10:36 AM #428
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11-15-2021, 11:09 AM #429
Sounds like 711 is making a big push to put DCFC charging stations at their stores. 250 stores by end of 2022. Seems like a no-brainer business move. They are going to sell a shit load of weenie roller dogs and nachos…
I’ve been waiting to see one of the major gas station chains to make the same move but it doesn’t seem like any of them are being as aggressive…
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11-15-2021, 11:38 AM #430
FINALLY! I'm surprised more haven't hopped on that. Seems all you'd have to do is install a handful of fast chargers, charge a reasonable markup over electric costs, and make a nice waiting area with tables and stuff to get people to spend lots of money inside your store. I'd go full on Buc-ee's + mass EV charge capabilities if I was in the gas station biz.
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11-15-2021, 11:40 AM #431
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11-15-2021, 11:44 AM #432
Seriously. It'd be silly NOT to. There's some random pie shop / cutesy delicatessen café off of I-35 somewhere near Waco. Have probably a dozen Tesla superchargers and every time I've driven by there, they're all occupied with a line waiting. Last time I stopped by, girl working the counter told me they sell a shit ton of pies thanks to those superchargers. Win-win!
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11-15-2021, 12:20 PM #433
give up prime real estate to customers that are going to be parked longer and spend the same or less money doesn’t seem a good plan on the immediate term. (Gas station average is like 5 minutes or something for an average visit, chargers currently multiples of that I think)
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11-15-2021, 12:43 PM #434
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11-15-2021, 01:23 PM #435
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11-15-2021, 01:37 PM #436
EV chargers vs. gas pumps aren't a 1-to-1 replacement, at least that's not how you need to think about them from a business standpoint. Yes, a car will be parked for a much longer time at a charger - 30-45min, versus less than 5min at a gas pump. Gas stations and convenience stores are currently designed around 5min times - lots of stuff that you can grab really quickly then get on your way.
The EV charger gives you a captive audience for a much longer time. That means you need to do things differently in order to keep their interest for that long, but also gives you a lot of opportunity to sell them more stuff if you do it right. But yeah, that requires business owners to be creative and come up with new ideas and do things differently than they always have, which many aren't very interested in.
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11-15-2021, 02:08 PM #437
Gas stations (Maplefield, Jolley) around here have become mini resteraunts any way. Got to have parking for that. The stores are already designed for people to hang out. Of course those two examples are very committed to gasoline.
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11-15-2021, 03:26 PM #438
Lots of the large gas stations around here (Montana) have shitty casinos attached to them. I'm surprised those places aren't jumping on the EV charging / captive audience train.
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11-15-2021, 03:35 PM #439
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11-15-2021, 03:42 PM #440
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11-15-2021, 04:57 PM #441
Yeah, probably, I'm just being snarky since it's casinos and the only way they lose is if the odd winners have an arbitrary stopping point before they have a chance to give it all back. Seriously, the electric car charger should save some segments of in-person retail, if they can figure it out fast enough.
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11-15-2021, 05:08 PM #442
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11-15-2021, 05:17 PM #443
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11-15-2021, 09:49 PM #444
As someone who lives in between the Bay and Tahoe I’m really intrigued by this idea. It’s like you need the business model of a truck stop but for desires and tastes of the 5%. Food, coffee (maybe in a co-op style) with a play area for kids of different ages.
I don’t know if it is a core business yet. More like an add on to an existing customer service oriented business. Maybe a way to monetize parking lots that are located by a concentration of businesses / small downtowns. And will it also be made extinct soon when cars get 500+ miles a charge.
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11-16-2021, 11:45 AM #445
Pretty cool research on charging cable to enable full charge in the time it’d take to fill tank with gas: https://expeditionportal.com/ford-an...harging-cable/ Obvious caveats don’t need to be repeated…we are grownups here.
Meanwhile the solid state battery revolution is getting such hudge investment, it’s gotta happen. Probably. :grin: But twice the energy density would be total game changer & would pretty much relegate ICE to dustbin of history. Still wouldn’t have energy density of diesel but would be good enough.
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11-16-2021, 10:03 PM #446
Electric car thread
When I’m cruising on the highway and pass a e-car/truck that’s going pretty slow, like 50mph, is that because their cpu is telling them how fast they can go to make it to a charging area before running out? I’ve seen this a few times recently.
Regarding charging retail locations. I think having them at typical stops next to really yummy eateries could work. I remember seeing a Tesla charging area in buttonwillow next to a pretty good Mediterranean place several years ago.
Steady state batteries. Are they using cobalt?
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11-17-2021, 08:43 AM #447
My Bolt does not have a feature that specifically says "this is how fast you can go to make it this charger." They might be trying to conserve range, or they might just be grandma driving.
I drive on the freeway at 80-85mph just like I do in a gasoline car but I'm never really pushing the max range of the car.
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11-18-2021, 01:41 PM #448
Well the day finally arrived and the Thomas EV bus has been delivered, ABB 24kW Wallbox charger installed. Only $385k all-in, but we’re getting $285k back from the CO Dieselgate grant.
Kids and adults are psyched. First in our valley and second on the Western slope. Very quiet and easy to operate. We’ll see how the 125mi listed range translates at 6000-9000’ here the winter
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11-18-2021, 02:16 PM #449
Super cool! Is that a decorative grill.
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11-18-2021, 02:17 PM #450
So... Electric vehicle. Hopefully some enterprising kids don't decide they want a day off and unplug them. My kids had a day off when they were in k-8 because some kids got some older brothers to unplug the diesel buses one night during a cold snap. You've been warned.
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