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  1. #226
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaijin View Post
    Forgive my naivetť... is the P15 the same housing as the P18, just with a smaller spring? Can I use it with CAST?
    Yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaijin View Post
    Forgive my naivetť... is the P15 the same housing as the P18, just with a smaller spring? Can I use it with CAST?
    Yeah...which makes it really hard to understand this massive campaign for the return of the 15....

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    It starts at 6? Makes more sense for most people than starting at 8

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_pretzel View Post
    It starts at 6? Makes more sense for most people than starting at 8
    Exactly it. Most people ski a binding in a 6-8 range. in reality, this makes more sence than the 14. the 14 is the same binding as the 12, so if you need more than the 12, then you are better off with the all metalness of the 15.
    Click. Point. Chute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flexon Phil View Post
    Exactly it. Most people ski a binding in a 6-8 range. in reality, this makes more sence than the 14. the 14 is the same binding as the 12, so if you need more than the 12, then you are better off with the all metalness of the 15.
    This was my assumption. I don't know why I feel strange about riding an 8-18 binding set at 8-9, though. Some sort of weird bias in my head.

    P15 Gold, please. Will replace the Baron on my Mantra 102.

    Anyone want a 2020 Baron? Slightly used. Very clean.
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    Been happy with the Mantras?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Island Bay View Post
    Been happy with the Mantras?
    I got them for cheap as they were one of last season's demo pair floating around Japan, pre-mounted. So, while it's not my binding of choice, the ski is this weird combination of super easy and predictable, to trustworthy when it gets hectic.

    It's really damp and quiet in crud or on ice, but it's also not demanding at all. It's both more stable than my 84mm double titanium Nordica Jet Fuel, and more surfy than my 2003 Gotama. This is due to metal & tip/tail rocker combined with mellow traditional camber.

    The sidecut is a trip. I can go slow and link short radius arcs in the mellow flats, or haul ass and go super G in the steeps. It's a more turny LP105 in the slows but just as stable in the fasts. (this sentence is for you directly. ;-) If I had just stuck an air and had to go straight through chunder for the next 200 meters before being able to stop, I'd want the LP105 on my feet. The 102 wants to turn. I think that's the main point where these two skis diverge is in runout characteristics and low speed/flat characteristics.

    I don't have much experience on other skis of the same genre but I'm pretty sure the Mantra 102 is what every ski manufacturer is trying to make for their do-it-all ski. The K2 108ti was looser, less stable, softer tip, likely better in bottomless snow. But my bottomless snow ski is a Renegade. So for me the Mantra 102 is not a one-ski quiver. It's a non-powder ski. It rails with the best of them, dragging hip on groomers like a GS ski... and then it surfs for a playful way of shutting down speed.

    I am also interested in trying other wood/metal combos for this genre. But I don't really know what I'd be asking for. This ski is already super stable and super loose. So... I don't know what else I need. Surely other make-ups would feel different.

    LP 105 = Comp ski. Survives the runout.
    M 102 = Carves or surfs. Choose one.
    K2 108ti = 90% Holds an edge but likely floats better than the other two.
    Last edited by gaijin; 01-22-2020 at 01:22 AM.

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    Black Crows Justis looks like Julian Regnier's take on Armada ARV Ti. Width in between 96 and 106, twin tip, double titanal. Look forward to seeing more specs and will probably get it next year for resort.

    The new Corvus that he designed is great, so I trust him to upgrade the ARV as well

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    Att Gaijin:

    Good stuff, mate!

    Will make a real effort to demo a pair.

    Hope the snow comes, and you can get busy on the Rens.
    Last edited by Island Bay; 01-22-2020 at 11:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flexon Phil View Post
    Exactly it. Most people ski a binding in a 6-8 range. in reality, this makes more sence than the 14. the 14 is the same binding as the 12, so if you need more than the 12, then you are better off with the all metalness of the 15.
    If youíre skiing at 6 you donít need this binding. And then by your argument if you need more than the 12 then youíre already covered with the 18. What am I missing. Iím not denying the 15 makes more sense, itís just that I donít see it solves a problem that actually exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBrit View Post
    I’m not denying the 15 makes more sense, it’s just that I don’t see it solves a problem that actually exists.
    You're right and you're right.

    12 Plastic, 15 Metal, 18 Metal makes more sense than a 12 Plastic, 14 Plastic, and 18 Metal. It gives skiers like me a higher quality option. It gives me a metal housing with a din setting that is mid-range and that I can adjust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glademaster View Post
    I dig the Forza 2.0. It's garish, like a Look binding should be. As one of 12 people who still owns and uses a dedicated alpine ski boot when I ride lifts, I'm looking forward to the P15 and being able to get away from bindings that have 19 different adjustment points to accommodate everything from an DIN-standard alpine boot to a vibram soled AT boot to some stiletto fuck-me boots. KISS, FTW.

    All of this talk of crossover gear, or a "travel setup" or whatever the fuck people are calling it now is utter bullshit. Purpose-built tools for specific tasks will always be superior. It's nothing more than some slick marketing to sell skiers with more money than sense gear that performs at best tolerably, everywhere.

    In closing, it's really nice to see a little less emphasis placed on crossover/jack-of-all-trades gear for the coming season.
    Totally agree on crossover stuff. If Iím touring Iím touring. If alpine P18 in 120 alpine and charging at high speed (whyturn). I donít want to ski my tecton in resort or fiddle with shift. I also ski pivot at 10 and will be stoked on the 15.

    Right tool for the right job!

    So does this mean no more 14 and 12, 15, 18 only?

    Or is it ski light 14 with WTR bull?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kied View Post
    Totally different last than the Cochise. The current MV is fairly wide with not a lot of shape (go to a shop and compare a current LV w/ an MV). The 20/21 MV mimics the current LV, with a way more anatomical fit that is closer to the foot, but with a taller and better toe box. Cochise feels a bit softer than the Mach in the same flex index.

    Also, the "T-Drive" on the MV is legit. Essentially, less/no distortion on the lower boot when flexing.
    Thanks! Iíll have a hard look once they are available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mff353 View Post
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    is that the production topsheet??? on the new spur ? both sizes??


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    Atomic 2021 Bentchetlers

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    Bentchetler topsheets - bueno!
    Spur topsheets - no
    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    All ye punterz! Leave thine stupid heavy skis in the past, or at least in the resort category, for the age of lightweight pussy sticks is upon us! Behold! Keep up with the randocommandos on their carbon blades of shortness! Break thine tibias into spiral splinters with pintech extravagance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    Bentchetler topsheets - bueno!
    Spur topsheets - no
    Triple black diamond tho brooooooooo

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    Quote Originally Posted by mff353 View Post
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    Those are some fugly top sheets, dear god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
    is that the production topsheet??? on the new spur ? both sizes??
    Yep. All four sizes... 189, 179, 169, 159.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jvhowube View Post
    Triple black diamond tho brooooooooo
    Technically, those diamonds are green.

    Can Salomon bring back the 916? Who wants to start the campaign?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    Technically, those diamonds are green.

    Can Salomon bring back the 916? Who wants to start the campaign?
    #Sth3Steel
    Click. Point. Chute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
    is that the production topsheet??? on the new spur ? both sizes??
    Don't know, looks to be a new 179cm size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    Those are some fugly top sheets, dear god.
    ditto.
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